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bespoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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1947.

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disk has been found and is now

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in the possession

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year 1985

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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for the

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masses yeah man good evening

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today is wednesday may 13 2020

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left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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tiddler to and fro back and forth

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up and down east and west north and

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south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra the planets

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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nice

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[Applause]

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it's like this one

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year ago today

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stanton freeman left this earth

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to investigate another universe and yes

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he's out there

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stan i know you're listening smiling and

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getting it done

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you are missed every single day

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now tonight we have very special guest

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jim peniston is here

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he joins us to talk about all of that

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recent rental ship news that is going

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around we're going to talk about his new

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book

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the rental shim enigma we're going to go

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start to finish top to bottom end to end

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tonight with

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jim penniston tomorrow night is another

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fader night

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open lines all night long what a great

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week it has been

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here on fade to black and to wind things

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on a wednesday night with jim pennston

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it makes tonight very very special so

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stay with us

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and there you go now we have uh

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some issues going on with video um i

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will leave that to

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uh drew and rita to get sussed out and

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with the show

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um uh so that being

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is hashtag f2b on twitter

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blend it's absolutely amazing let's get

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to the breaking news

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it was announced today that the

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commander

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of the 21st space wing

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headquartered at peterson air force base

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in colorado springs colorado

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has died colonel thomas g

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this is the thing falzorano was found

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very strange now colonel falzerano

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took command of the 21st space wing back

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in july

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of 2019 he was poised to be one of the

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officers in the new united states

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space force colonel sam johnson

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will now assume command you don't know

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how he died

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he was just found dead in his home

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as was announced but they are

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death and as we find out more i will

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report it right

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here on fade to black also announced

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researchers have found a super earth

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exoplanet they describe

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as one in a million now this was found

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in deep space

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the newly discovered exoplanet and its

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ogle ogle 2018

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blg0677

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is one of only a handful that have been

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discovered that has both

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a size and orbit similar to earth

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it takes about 617 days to orbit its

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one that is believed to have just ten

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the team used telescopes in chile south

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australia and south africa known

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ogle more than 8 000 exoplanets have

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discovered 17 new exoplanets including

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its star and liquid water at habitable

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tesla and officials from alameda county

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california have reached a deal to allow

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the factory based up in fremont

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the way was initially planned to reopen

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well all of that changed this week when

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these rules were extended ceo

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elon musk made a very public stink on

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twitter about the situation

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and said that he was opening two days

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line in the plant and if anybody was

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he should be arrested and he also

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said that he was going to threaten and

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now as of today neither musk

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following this announcement now as

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the fremont factory's employee parking

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with cars there you go the star works

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ufos and artificial intelligence

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conference up in laughlin nevada

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november

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5th through the 8th is still on and

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you need to go to starworksusa.com for

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tickets and info

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i'm going to be there grant cameron paul

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heineck james fox alan stivelman

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sid goldberg and another dozen great

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speakers i'm gonna be there

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rita's gonna be there the fade to black

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crew

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is gonna be there so come and hang out

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with us visit starworksusa.com

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all right now the disclosure fest event

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that was scheduled for june 20th was

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august 8th now we've got these uh

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extended stay-at-home orders

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we really don't know what's going on

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with the state of california the city of

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uh but right now it is scheduled for

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august 8th which is saturday

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if we need to move it back to september

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or october we have dates remove uh

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reserved for those uh weekends as well

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i want you to please visit

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disclosurefest.org

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for all of the news ticket information

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location and everything else that you

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need let's get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today

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stevie wonder that's right

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stevie wonder today 70 years old

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now what's your favorite stevie wonder

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song post it up there

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i mean you know a zillion hits but for

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some reason

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and i i mean so many so many great songs

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sir duke yeah sir duke

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stephen colbert today 56 years old

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and magic dick

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that's right magic dick of the jay

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guiles band harmonica player

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amazing magic dick today is

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75 years old didn't he have an afro

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right that was magic dick right and j

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giles he had the afro and the bandana

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right somebody posted a picture i want

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to make sure that my memory is

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correct also today blue lou

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blue lou maroon blue lou marini

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of the blues brothers today is

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75 years old never forget john belushi

289
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on the

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blues brothers live album blue lou

291
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lou marini lulu today 75

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also today guitar god

293
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buckethead today

294
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is 51. our dead guy's birthday today is

295
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richie valens

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to 1941-1959 died at the age of 17.

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richie

298
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was a singer songwriter and a guitarist

299
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a rock and roll pioneer and a forefather

300
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of the chicano rock movement richie had

301
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two huge hits during his short eight

302
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month career donna

303
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and la bamba on february 3rd 1959 and

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what has become known as the day the

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music died

306
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valens buddy holly and jp

307
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the big bopper richardson as well as

308
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pilot roger peterson were all killed in

309
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a plane crash

310
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valens was inducted to the rock and roll

311
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hall of fame

312
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in 2001. on this day

313
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in history 1985

314
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in philadelphia pennsylvania police

315
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began evacuating

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uh people from their osage avenue homes

317
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in order to prepare for an operation

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against

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move a radical cult group that had

320
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assembled a large arsenal

321
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by the end of the confrontation 11

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people were dead

323
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and 61 homes had burned to the ground

324
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fader fact okay are you ready

325
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this is a fact there is

326
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a polar bear jail

327
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also known as the polar bear holding

328
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facility

329
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in churchill manitoba canada

330
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where polar bears that are considered

331
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troublesome

332
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are held that's right put in the clink

333
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the idea is that extended time behind

334
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bars would create a sense of suckiness

335
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for the bears

336
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so that they will be reluctant to come

337
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back to town

338
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that is your fader fact you gotta see

339
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this place too

340
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it's a jail it's a jail jail it's a jail

341
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for naughty bears tonight very special

342
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guest

343
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jim peniston joins us to talk about all

344
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of the recent rental shim news

345
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one of the great cases in all of

346
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ufology and we're also going to talk

347
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about his new book the rental shim

348
00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:36,240
enigma tomorrow's another fader night

349
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with open lines

350
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all night long now

351
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rivermooncoffee.com

352
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yeah promo code f2b blend

353
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it's like this almost two years ago

354
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:06,880
we lost jim mars august

355
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on this day last year

356
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it was stanton friedman now

357
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i think about them both often

358
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:21,839
i really do talk about them all the time

359
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rita and i

360
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talk about mars we talk about stan right

361
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:35,189
they were so much alike on many

362
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:36,320
different levels

363
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:38,560
and and i know what you're thinking but

364
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:40,320
i'm just saying seriously

365
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:43,440
they were two different guys

366
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:48,480
stan and jim but uh

367
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,000
they were a lot alike and the first

368
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,839
thing

369
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:55,839
that i just want to bring to everybody's

370
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,360
attention

371
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they were funny they were funny with a

372
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:02,639
sense of humor that was infectious

373
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:06,160
they really were with stan

374
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:08,959
stan was a little dry and he was a

375
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:09,600
little dry

376
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and he knew it and he would also play

377
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:13,199
off of it

378
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he knew he was funny he would say

379
00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:17,120
something funny he wouldn't smile he'd

380
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:18,160
wait for you

381
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:22,000
right and uh and that was stan

382
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:25,360
stan made me laugh made me laugh

383
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:28,880
but jim on the other hand jim had

384
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jokes jim had jokes

385
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:34,559
and not only did he know that he was

386
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:35,600
funny he was

387
00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:38,320
out front with the comedy and he was

388
00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:39,200
really good

389
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:42,400
just

390
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enjoyed uh his

391
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his how do i when i say humor is

392
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,559
is the right word but he knew that he

393
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:54,000
was funny

394
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:56,000
it was his dialect there was a lot of

395
00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,120
other things uh

396
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:59,520
that with jim but he he knew he was

397
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funny

398
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:03,919
he made me laugh and the other thing

399
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:07,600
about these two that can't be denied

400
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:11,760
totally relentless both of them

401
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:15,039
they never stopped they didn't

402
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:18,799
they kept on digging till their last day

403
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:21,919
and here's the other thing

404
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:25,440
they loved fade to black they loved

405
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:30,000
the fader knots they hung out with us

406
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,600
and they always did i'll never forget

407
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:35,280
the first time

408
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:39,120
that i heard stan say i love the fader

409
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,320
knots

410
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:43,600
can i have a hat

411
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:46,720
stan got his hat by the way

412
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:49,760
but to to have

413
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:54,640
stanton friedman speak that word

414
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:58,240
fader knots man

415
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,000
meant everything to me everything

416
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:05,360
he liked hanging out with us he liked

417
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:07,280
and if you think about it you know

418
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:08,799
stanton at our booth

419
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,679
at contacting the desert all day just

420
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:12,799
hanging out

421
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:16,960
telling stories it was just incredible

422
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,160
and every time uh

423
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,559
did we ever get a picture of stan with

424
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:24,400
this fade to black hat

425
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:28,400
that day uh you know i remember

426
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,360
i was walking around and i i see stanton

427
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,960
walking towards me scott to fade the

428
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,320
black hat on

429
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:36,960
and i don't know if i grabbed a picture

430
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:39,440
but it it just it fit him perfect

431
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,400
fit him perfect and every time we did a

432
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:44,400
live broadcast from contact in the

433
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:45,200
desert

434
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,799
and if you were ever there you know what

435
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:48,640
i'm talking about because there they

436
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:49,520
were

437
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:53,200
right sitting in the front row

438
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:56,720
next to each other hanging out

439
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,080
with you the fader knots right

440
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,000
they couldn't wait to get on the show

441
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:03,840
and be a part of the family

442
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,120
their family they got it they got it

443
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,440
from day one

444
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,760
oh just so special but that's not even

445
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:13,039
the best part

446
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,679
i i mean for me these two guys

447
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,720
helped me understand the world of ufos

448
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,400
and conspiracy

449
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,240
they helped me figure what it was all

450
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:25,760
about

451
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:30,240
right they were a guide

452
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:33,520
for all of us but for me personally i

453
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,400
read

454
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,799
i watched and i followed them for

455
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:39,039
decades

456
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:42,080
when ufos were discussed in the media it

457
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:42,480
was

458
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:46,960
representing

459
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:50,480
us it was his face and the voice of

460
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:53,679
reason and to be very clear

461
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:56,720
i have seen him for almost

462
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,480
50 years on tv now let that sink in for

463
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:02,720
a moment five

464
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:06,559
decades of dedication

465
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:11,360
when he died he was in transit

466
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,440
from a live broadcast on stage

467
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:18,159
with george nori and he was on his way

468
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:18,640
home

469
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:22,880
to the very end that is dedication

470
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,159
and i i go back and i started thinking

471
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:27,760
about this

472
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:33,520
i i mean if i saw something on tv

473
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,600
i'm a kid nine years old

474
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,360
something i did a document it was

475
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:41,120
stanton friedman

476
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,070
incredible now back when we first

477
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:51,919
started fade to black

478
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:54,640
at the in in the beginning i knew that i

479
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:55,600
wanted

480
00:22:03,830 --> 00:21:59,840
stan on the show

481
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:03,840
it was important to me and i called him

482
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:07,760
out of the blue he picked up the phone

483
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,039
freaked me out and i asked

484
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,400
and he said yes we had a brief

485
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,840
conversation that day

486
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,480
the first time i ever spoke to him we

487
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,720
spoke for about a half an hour

488
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,880
and at the end of that we talked about

489
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,880
ufos and we talked about things and we

490
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:27,520
you know we you know he was feeling me

491
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,640
out

492
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:29,919
and in the end he said you know what

493
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,039
i'll do the show sounds good

494
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:36,320
right he didn't know me he didn't know

495
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,840
the show the show hadn't even broadcast

496
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:40,320
yet

497
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,120
but that's who stan was he was cool

498
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,919
now there are so many memories and good

499
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:48,880
times with

500
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:52,320
with him but one that

501
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:56,320
is special for me

502
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,159
is when stan and i sat

503
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,559
and went through project blue book

504
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:03,760
together

505
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:07,360
alone nobody around

506
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,840
for a couple of hours and

507
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:14,400
we're sitting on these chairs got blue

508
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:14,880
book

509
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:18,320
in fact i think we both had a copy and

510
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,159
we're flipping through flipping pages

511
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,720
and talking about cases we would stop

512
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,080
and

513
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,080
point

514
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,480
he was very serious about about his

515
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:33,600
research and he knew

516
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,840
every page he knew every case and

517
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:40,640
i need you to think about that that i

518
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:40,960
was

519
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:44,720
able to after watching him

520
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,559
for 50 years on television right

521
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,760
it doesn't get any better than that it

522
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:53,919
just doesn't

523
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,080
there were uh many opportunities

524
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,120
uh for not only stan to be on the show

525
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:04,559
but for stan to hang out with you and

526
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,840
the community and to not only

527
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:10,400
share stories and and do that because he

528
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,960
was so

529
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,440
gracious about it everybody wanted to

530
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,559
tell them about their ufo experience and

531
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,400
and get his reaction to that but they

532
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,880
also wanted to ask him questions and

533
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:23,120
and things and that's what stan did he

534
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:24,080
would just

535
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:27,760
sit there and listen to everybody

536
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,880
and i miss him i i really do and to

537
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,760
uh to go through so many years of

538
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:37,279
research

539
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,640
and taking things so serious when stan

540
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,840
was speaking

541
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,720
i had videos and this is i'm talking

542
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,120
about

543
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:47,520
many many many years ago a few decades

544
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,159
ago

545
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,240
i would watch these tapes and uh of

546
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:51,360
stanton

547
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:55,200
uh i had uh all of his documentaries

548
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:56,320
that he had done

549
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,760
and i would see him on the screen and it

550
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,000
was

551
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,240
always at that moment no matter who the

552
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:03,600
other researchers were

553
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:06,880
it was always stanton that got my

554
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,320
attention it was him

555
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:12,880
and then to transition through all of

556
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:13,760
that

557
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,880
so many years later and you know i'm now

558
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,360
i'm an

559
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,559
adult doing this with with the fader

560
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:22,159
knots and fade to black

561
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:25,520
and to have stanton so graciously

562
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,950
yeah absolutely incredible there is uh

563
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,720
one other thing i want to share for you

564
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,919
uh share with you before we run there

565
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:39,279
was

566
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,880
and if i've told the story before and

567
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:46,960
you've heard it i apologize but

568
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:50,880
it was really hot and

569
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,919
stan didn't have a hat

570
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,440
and he asked for a fade to black hat and

571
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:58,240
we gave it to him but he was sunburned

572
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:01,600
and he said i just need

573
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,279
some water and all of the fader knots

574
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,080
i i remember going uh we had those

575
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,679
coolers with water and

576
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,279
got sent and then he said you know can i

577
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:13,600
sit i said yeah absolutely

578
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,919
and he eventually moved his chair

579
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:20,320
closer and closer and closer down until

580
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:21,919
he was underneath our

581
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:25,039
pop-up tent and he got his shade and

582
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,080
statin

583
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,120
stanton sat there with all of us

584
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:32,880
for five or six hours

585
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,000
that day and how precious that was

586
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,720
what a great moment and and that was

587
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:39,760
stan

588
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,840
i hope you're listening right now i hope

589
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,720
you are

590
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,360
i hope you're laughing i hope you're

591
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,120
laughing

592
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,120
one year ago today we lost anton

593
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:55,600
friedman with that

594
00:27:02,470 --> 00:26:59,760
my favorite two ufo cases

595
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,480
both both discussed at length with

596
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,240
stanton friedman

597
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:07,600
travis walton and randall shim i've said

598
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:07,919
it

599
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:11,600
many many times tonight jim peniston

600
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,120
is here and one of the most important

601
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:18,080
events for all of us when it comes to

602
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:19,279
ufology

603
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,360
is randallshim woodbridge bentwaters

604
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,919
jim peniston was there he was a witness

605
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,360
and he also wrote a book

606
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,120
and we're going to discuss all of that

607
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,960
and all of the recent

608
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,360
breaking news on rendelshim tonight

609
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,279
right after this short break i am your

610
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:37,440
host jimmy church this is fade to black

611
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,360
on the game changer network and kgra

612
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,880
the planet you stay right there i'll be

613
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,480
right back after this short break

614
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:47,679
follow me on twitter at j church radio

615
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:50,880
the links for jim's new book are up over

616
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,679
on our website you can go and check it

617
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,919
out

618
00:28:14,149 --> 00:27:55,760
and click right there i'll be right back

619
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,830
all right welcome back fade to black

620
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,320
tonight jim peniston

621
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,960
tomorrow night fader night open lines

622
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,960
all night long

623
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,600
very excited about the conversation with

624
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,200
jim tonight

625
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,960
because he's here to discuss all of the

626
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:31,039
latest breaking news that has been going

627
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,520
down

628
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,000
in and around randall shim and the

629
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,840
renault shim force incident

630
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,080
one of the most important events in ufo

631
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,600
history

632
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:42,000
jim you united states air force security

633
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,640
forces

634
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,039
retired by the way he entered the air

635
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,279
force in 1973

636
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,760
he served over 23 years active duty in

637
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,840
the united states air force he wrote

638
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,000
defense security and counterterrorism

639
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,919
and contingency plans for the united

640
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,600
states air force and nato

641
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:59,919
additionally he provided security

642
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,640
support for

643
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:03,039
air force one and other classified

644
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:03,760
aircraft

645
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,559
weapons systems peniston held for the

646
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,200
majority of his 20-year career a u.s top

647
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:11,440
security bisci

648
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,559
and a nato top-secret cosmic atomic

649
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,480
security clearance

650
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,799
sergeant penisten and his team were

651
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,720
first responders to a security

652
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,840
investigation

653
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:24,399
of a craft of unknown origin located

654
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,120
just outside

655
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:28,240
raf woodbridge in england in december

656
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,039
1980

657
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,159
that case is known as the rendelsham

658
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,840
force incident and is the most

659
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,559
documented account in military history

660
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,799
he was a speaker at two national press

661
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:41,200
club events and his first responders

662
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,720
account of the rental shim forest

663
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,440
incident

664
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,760
has been featured worldwide on numerous

665
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,919
television and radio programs

666
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,840
he has co-authored two books and his

667
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,320
latest is with gary osborne

668
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,720
the rendel shim enigma i would like to

669
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:56,720
welcome back to fade to black

670
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:00,080
sergeant jim bennett jim good evening

671
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,440
man how are you

672
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,360
i'm doing great jimmy thanks for having

673
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,200
me back on it's been a long time

674
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,080
yeah it has been a long time and uh it

675
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:10,159
was so funny i remember you and i seeing

676
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,279
each other

677
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,360
uh a few uh six months ago at the ufo

678
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,559
uh the mufon symposium and

679
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:21,279
uh and we briefly had a chance to say

680
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,159
hello

681
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,919
and we knew that we would get this

682
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,600
happening as soon as possible

683
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,200
and here we are tonight so thank you so

684
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,440
much i know you know that symposium i

685
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,000
had 16-hour days it was crazy

686
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,720
i couldn't believe that yeah well see

687
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:36,159
this is the thing uh

688
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,399
jim uh and i have said this so often

689
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,279
that the two probably the two most

690
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:44,559
important cases

691
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:48,799
in in ufo history are it's travis walton

692
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,080
and it's randallshim and for two uh

693
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:55,440
very significant reasons one i consider

694
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:55,840
them

695
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:59,120
modern cases okay i do they're they're

696
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,080
like now

697
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:02,240
and the second thing is travis is still

698
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,120
with us

699
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,960
right and and the witnesses that were

700
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,320
there and there's so much

701
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,080
evidence and documentation behind that

702
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,080
case and it's the same

703
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,480
thing with rendelsham right the

704
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,440
witnesses are here

705
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,320
we're not getting second-hand third-hand

706
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:17,600
fourth-hand

707
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,720
uh accounts and mythology you guys are

708
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,440
here

709
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,440
right and all the and and all of the

710
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:24,880
evidence is with us

711
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,760
and it is just absolutely important for

712
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,559
us

713
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:31,200
and and to understand and respect what

714
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,320
we actually

715
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,799
have in front of us as a ufo community

716
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,080
and that's my position

717
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:38,159
we know something happened out at

718
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,120
rendelsham

719
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,240
right we we know i agree with you 100

720
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:44,000
and just a little off subject speaking

721
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,360
of travis

722
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,080
i've i've communicated with him i don't

723
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:49,440
you know with texts and

724
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,120
emails for 20 years and that symposium

725
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,120
was the first time i got to meet him

726
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,760
and uh that was that was we didn't have

727
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,440
no time to talk it was like

728
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:02,080
so fast you know but uh it's always nice

729
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,559
to meet

730
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,000
another uh with us you know some of that

731
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:08,320
yeah and the other thing about uh travis

732
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:09,039
i'm glad that you

733
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,399
had a chance to talk to him because uh

734
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,960
and just like you but you're able to you

735
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,039
know looking at travis's eyes

736
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:19,440
and and and you know what he has gone

737
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,240
through

738
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,720
but he's he's he's ready to talk you

739
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,000
know and he's such a

740
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:27,200
well-grounded individual well you know

741
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,240
uh

742
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,559
the reason we talk and i think i can

743
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:31,840
talk for travis on this

744
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,120
it's uh it's actually uh therapeutic

745
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:38,000
you know it it helps us uh at least

746
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,279
helps me

747
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,640
uh in the biggest uh therapy session i

748
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,559
had was writing this renders from enigma

749
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,519
book

750
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,840
uh it took five years and i tell you

751
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,120
what i i went

752
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,960
back to chapter three that's out in the

753
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:53,120
forest i must have went back to that

754
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,440
thing

755
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,159
ten times after a few weeks of not doing

756
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,159
nothing with it

757
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:01,279
i wanted the words to be just right uh

758
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:04,720
to convey what was going on uh and it

759
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:07,600
took a lot to satisfy me on it

760
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,279
but the whole point behind that is i

761
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,399
i wanted the reader to know

762
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,960
uh what it felt like and what i was

763
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,399
going through

764
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,159
moment by moment as i was out there in

765
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,399
the forest and uh

766
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:25,120
so uh yeah i don't know if you know

767
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,480
connie willis she did a

768
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,559
i promised her i would do a show with

769
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,840
her and i did

770
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,919
and but i only could send her three

771
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,360
chapters we didn't have the rest of it

772
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:35,360
compiled yet

773
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:39,039
and anyway i gave it to connie and uh

774
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,640
i said what do you think i said oh my

775
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,960
god she says i i was exhausted after

776
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,320
reading she says

777
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,720
i was i was there with you she says it

778
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:48,159
was she says i was just

779
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,159
beat i was beat

780
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,960
i says well i says then that means i was

781
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,919
successful

782
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:58,960
in conveying and putting on

783
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,399
on paper what it felt like when you uh

784
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,960
when you think about the events today

785
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,679
because

786
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,760
you know it's december of 1980 we're in

787
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:09,599
2020 now

788
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,440
but uh do you remember everything

789
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:16,320
everything renders from forest was last

790
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:17,040
night

791
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,040
right all right it it it it must

792
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,079
be for for you uh

793
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,839
when you look at it from the different

794
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,839
sides uh

795
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:30,079
you're you're a witness you're you're

796
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,280
seeing something pretty

797
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,159
incredible but you're also part of the

798
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:35,679
base security

799
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,639
so you've got a few different ways to

800
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,599
look at it right

801
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,560
a few different you know and how do you

802
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,639
how did you deal with it that evening

803
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:46,240
i'm i'm actually gonna

804
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,839
you know i want to walk through the

805
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,599
evening one more time

806
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:52,000
with you before we get on to the other

807
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:53,119
stuff that we're going to talk about

808
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,079
tonight

809
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:57,280
but you know you're a witness maybe even

810
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,000
a victim

811
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,280
right and and base security

812
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,839
uh military personnel you're wearing a

813
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:04,720
lot of hats

814
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:07,839
through this uh incident aren't you

815
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,040
i was wearing yeah several

816
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,920
my main job and the thing that saved me

817
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:15,119
i think

818
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,640
uh is i initiated a security response

819
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,400
option because of a possible downed

820
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:22,320
aircraft so it was a crashed aircraft so

821
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,800
we

822
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,440
i'm going through the checklist for that

823
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,040
and that helped me i i

824
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,560
i'm you know i wasn't like the other

825
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,240
guys out there those guys that they were

826
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:31,920
freaked out i mean

827
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:35,119
no doubt about it uh i was at

828
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,760
different points but i had the the the

829
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,720
the security response option i was

830
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,839
running

831
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,680
and then when i changed the security

832
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:47,440
response option i knew it was endowed

833
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,320
aircraft

834
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,640
i initiated a healthy hand situation

835
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,640
which was up channel report

836
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,560
even though i wasn't receiving anything

837
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,320
on the radio

838
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:59,040
which was odd uh i still transmitted in

839
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,400
hopes that they would hear

840
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,960
everything i was saying and they did so

841
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,000
uh

842
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,520
helping hand which is a

843
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,079
telephonic uh up channel report through

844
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,280
the wing command post

845
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:14,400
through ramstein to

846
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,839
jcs to joint street staff and it's of

847
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:20,640
a possible hostile threat to the

848
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:21,599
priority a

849
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:24,880
b or c resources of the base so

850
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,640
that kind of stuff kept me i guess

851
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,560
what you could say grounded but i wasn't

852
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:32,000
grounded too well

853
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,599
but it kept me somewhat grounded

854
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:38,000
now there is and just for a

855
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,040
clarification

856
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,040
you know so just some basic questions

857
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,280
but to allow the groundwork

858
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,480
uh for the conversation tonight

859
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,599
um the uh

860
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,000
when colonel halt you know gets gets the

861
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,200
word right they're back right

862
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,359
and it's just like what you know at the

863
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,880
christmas party

864
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,920
um were you aware of

865
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,200
the the

866
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,040
everything that had led up to that

867
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,200
moment

868
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:12,000
no i was all after the fact and after i

869
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,560
had

870
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:15,599
uh talked to colonel halt in his office

871
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,079
in the d

872
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,240
briefing on the monday morning i didn't

873
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:19,920
know nothing about it a matter of fact

874
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,560
uh

875
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:22,640
i was sort of relieved at that point in

876
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,079
time after i went through to that point

877
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,480
and when colonel hall played the tape

878
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:29,839
and was telling me what's going on i

879
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,320
went

880
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,800
oh thank god it's off my shoulders right

881
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:33,680
you know

882
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:37,280
that's good it's off my shoulders i have

883
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,480
to worry about it but

884
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,880
it wasn't exactly like that well you

885
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,200
know because they're

886
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,720
we've got so much uh stuff to go through

887
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,000
over the years

888
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,280
as as researchers and you know fans of

889
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,920
of the ufo subject and the paranormal

890
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,119
when we look at this

891
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,680
we hear all of this chatter uh that's

892
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,440
out there and one of the things that has

893
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,119
been said over the years is

894
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,119
uh that people were talking about this

895
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,280
around the base after the first night

896
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,800
and leading into the

897
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,800
the second day that this was a

898
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:10,560
conversation that was going around the

899
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,440
base

900
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,240
uh but that didn't uh that didn't make

901
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,800
its way to you

902
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,640
no because i wasn't i didn't go back to

903
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,079
the base until monday

904
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,960
uh it was like uh after the the night

905
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,280
with halt and all that stuff

906
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,000
and and uh yeah there's a lot of chatter

907
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,839
going on because it was unclassified at

908
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,119
that point in time

909
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,200
i mean the classification didn't go on

910
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,800
until the monday morning uh

911
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:37,040
you know at the base commander's office

912
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,000
uh and

913
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,400
up to that point i i was talking you

914
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:41,680
know i

915
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,720
talked to other people about about it

916
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,000
and uh

917
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,400
uh it was quite open but uh once that uh

918
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:49,680
you know the

919
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,440
know that was the end of it

920
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,880
i mean it's really a shame too because

921
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,960
i'm with the guys i work with guys i

922
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,000
depend

923
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,040
on you know uh we we

924
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,960
depend on each other you know in life

925
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,320
situations

926
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,079
and i couldn't talk to him i said oh

927
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,240
it's classified they go oh no

928
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000
really oh yeah you know

929
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,400
yeah it's like oh man this is the most

930
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:16,079
unfair thing that could ever happen to a

931
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,040
person you know

932
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,359
now immediately afterwards and then uh

933
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,720
we're gonna get into

934
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,800
the meat of this but immediately

935
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,920
afterwards

936
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,480
uh i you know i know that you went

937
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:28,320
through the debriefing and things

938
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,160
but did you jim did you have any idea

939
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,760
that what just went down was going to

940
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,800
occupy the next 40 years of your life

941
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,119
did you have any idea the impact on on

942
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,400
this planet that

943
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:44,880
what went down in rendelsham forest was

944
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,160
as significant as it was

945
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,119
i knew it was a life-changing event but

946
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:53,440
there's no way i could even envision

947
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,040
the next 40 years i mean

948
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,920
i mean i've had ptsd from it i've been

949
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,599
you know fortunately about 10 years ago

950
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,359
i got the right medication

951
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:06,160
usually i sleep at night not always i

952
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,720
mean

953
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,440
i get rentals from revisited you know

954
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,800
it's uh

955
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,359
i i'm just so i guess dumb to it now

956
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:14,960
it's crazy

957
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,240
uh but no i never thought uh

958
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,920
i would uh be in this position uh uh

959
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,040
i because my initial intent i just

960
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:27,440
wanted everything to go away

961
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:30,880
and uh well that's that didn't happen

962
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,240
no it certainly didn't so without okay

963
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:37,359
without reliving the minute by minute by

964
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,319
minute uh

965
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,359
left at east gate scenario

966
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,800
going up the road heading into the

967
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,400
forest and all of that

968
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,800
uh we'll we'll bypass all of that it's

969
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,480
it's well done thank you jimmy

970
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,960
thank you yes thank you so much there's

971
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,000
the softball

972
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:54,720
pitch right there okay thank you okay

973
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,200
but

974
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:58,800
let's go uh to the moment

975
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,400
uh take us where you and john

976
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:05,440
are are lying from what i understand

977
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,800
and i uh you guys are lying down getting

978
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,440
ready to take a peek up over

979
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,599
uh the little ridge that's there and

980
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,000
this object is sitting in front of you

981
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,040
uh take us to that moment right there

982
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:20,720
what what was happening

983
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,880
okay i have airman cabanzac he's 50

984
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,680
60 feet behind me to my left right uh

985
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,280
that's where the enter control point was

986
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:30,880
going to be by the way

987
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:33,680
and then i had burrows about 20 feet

988
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,079
back

989
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,599
to my right rear and then

990
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,640
i came over the uh

991
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,880
i was having all kinds of problems uh

992
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,680
things that didn't

993
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,599
that weren't right and i knew it was an

994
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,200
aircraft crash i

995
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,280
terminated the security response option

996
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,119
for a downed aircraft

997
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,640
uh it was a white light emulating

998
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,440
from behind the sperm and it was

999
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,880
definitely not a crash

1000
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,520
so now i'm thinking about the security

1001
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,720
of the bases

1002
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,599
so i implemented a uh initiated a

1003
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,280
helping hand situation

1004
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,160
like i uh said before it's a telephonic

1005
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:12,079
up channel report of a possible hostile

1006
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,040
threat

1007
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,440
that could jeopardize the war making

1008
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:17,520
capabilities of party a b or c

1009
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,040
resources and that so now it's a

1010
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,520
security issue and i don't have a weapon

1011
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:26,480
because we left them on base because we

1012
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:27,040
thought it was

1013
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,190
i felt physical changes as i

1014
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,760
was coming up over the berm it felt like

1015
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,920
my movements were labored

1016
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,560
they were i felt like going through a

1017
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:44,400
pool of water waist high

1018
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,839
and how you would that best describes

1019
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:48,560
the

1020
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:55,839
place on my

1021
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,109
you know i've had adrenaline rushes

1022
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,280
before i knew that wasn't it

1023
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,839
uh and then the light started

1024
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:08,880
dissipating

1025
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,920
and i finally got to look over you know

1026
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,200
get ready to look over and

1027
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,960
the lights started dissipating down so i

1028
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,920
look back to my left and there's

1029
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,920
there's nothing going on with the

1030
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,599
commands like he's not moving i look

1031
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:23,760
back to the right there's murals he's

1032
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,079
not moving and i'm inside this

1033
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:31,200
lighted area that measured about 10 feet

1034
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,040
on each side of you know this object

1035
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,200
and maybe about 10 or 15 feet in the air

1036
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:39,599
and it was all lit up everything outside

1037
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,560
seemed lit up and uh but there's no

1038
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:44,240
movement out there

1039
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,640
and uh then the light dissipated and i

1040
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:50,960
could start seeing a structure craft on

1041
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,160
triangular shape it became finally

1042
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,800
a black triangular craft but it had

1043
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,760
globular

1044
00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:00,079
uh lights that were moving throughout

1045
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,200
the craft

1046
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,319
and those eventually slowed down

1047
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:07,599
i had used all my film in my camera

1048
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,800
so i i figured that well it looks like

1049
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,760
the other two

1050
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,119
are casualties and

1051
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,000
uh i thought i could be next so i said

1052
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,599
well do your job

1053
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,800
if you're not going to make it you might

1054
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,960
as well do your job so i so i'm going to

1055
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,640
write down as much information as i can

1056
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:26,160
about this craft

1057
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:27,839
i mean even though i was calling in on

1058
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,800
the radio for security checks

1059
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,920
i decided to go ahead and

1060
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,000
look for you know anything i could write

1061
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,000
down so higher headquarters or

1062
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,839
the command element of the base could

1063
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,440
actually make decisions you know with

1064
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,599
these notes and that

1065
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,599
why would you uh jim let me jump in

1066
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,160
really quick why would you

1067
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,960
classify i'm going to use air quotes the

1068
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,680
other two

1069
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,720
is casualties they weren't moving they

1070
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,839
were frozen

1071
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,920
were they standing or were they laying

1072
00:45:02,829 --> 00:44:59,359
down

1073
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,839
uh both were saying okay okay gotcha

1074
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,240
yeah uh yeah

1075
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,960
you know and our initial if you go back

1076
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,400
to the part about we both hit the

1077
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,000
you know yeah we hit the ground when the

1078
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:14,480
light first went exploded you know

1079
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,079
right but uh apparently he got up

1080
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,520
too uh but uh

1081
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,240
then i started looking for things i

1082
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,599
started i pasted off the craft they had

1083
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,520
no measurement devices

1084
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:30,000
so you know i paced off the craft it was

1085
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:30,800
you know

1086
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,240
with three paces mine about nine feet

1087
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,680
they measured that uh it was equilateral

1088
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,800
triangle uh i

1089
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,040
stand six foot two so you know it's sort

1090
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:44,480
of hard to tell

1091
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:48,160
but the it measured maybe six and a half

1092
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,119
seven feet tall

1093
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,920
i couldn't really tell there was still

1094
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,839
uh the lighting the global light had

1095
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:56,000
stopped and so there was just an opaque

1096
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,560
craft

1097
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,800
there but i didn't need no flashlights

1098
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,480
or nothing out there in that dark forest

1099
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,680
i mean i could see everything that was

1100
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:02,960
going on

1101
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,119
the um let me ask you one quick question

1102
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,240
um the monument that

1103
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:13,520
is now in rendelsham forest

1104
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,880
that craft is that similar to what you

1105
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,280
saw or not

1106
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,400
well it's triangular

1107
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,599
um and i did to help the forestry

1108
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,480
service with this

1109
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,960
with the glyphs for it i mean i did help

1110
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,000
with that

1111
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,079
they couldn't really do it accurately

1112
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,520
they said because it was

1113
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:36,160
uh sheet metal or something like that i

1114
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:36,640
never

1115
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,920
you know been to the to the monument but

1116
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,839
you know they uh they said they tried to

1117
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,079
get it as close as they could but uh

1118
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,079
yeah it was triangular but they didn't

1119
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:47,520
look like that

1120
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,560
uh but you know it's just like the uh

1121
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,319
the route they have at the forest you

1122
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,520
know for the uh

1123
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,680
the ufo trail that's not even accurate

1124
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,880
that's not right either

1125
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,960
right right it just works for the

1126
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,480
forestry department you know

1127
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:03,119
sure sure i i brought all that up to him

1128
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,079
and they said hey hey

1129
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,920
you know we're trying to make uh you

1130
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,240
know you know some money off this i said

1131
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:10,800
oh well that's fine that's what they did

1132
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,400
yeah right what about the force you know

1133
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:17,520
so so the uh the dome on the top

1134
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,960
was just artistic license

1135
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,000
yeah the with what they had it had like

1136
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,720
a i'll describe there was like a dorsal

1137
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:27,920
fin that came back up

1138
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,640
out of the uh craft that was extending

1139
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,520
out of it

1140
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:34,400
and that went up well over my head and

1141
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,110
uh

1142
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:37,760
[Music]

1143
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,390
uh i was i was looking for

1144
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,280
things that aircraft had you know like

1145
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,200
crew compartments

1146
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,400
you know uh aryans flaps

1147
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:55,040
uh all that it was avoided all that

1148
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,920
stuff

1149
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,520
but the other thing that caught my eye

1150
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,200
right away that one of the first things

1151
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:02,079
is like how in the house you know how is

1152
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,319
it

1153
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,720
standing above the forest here right

1154
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,119
right how his house is fixed here so you

1155
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,480
know i'm looking underneath

1156
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,079
and i still got this light underneath

1157
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:12,000
and all i could see is the intentions in

1158
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,599
the ground the three of them

1159
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,760
and the light that was it so the

1160
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,040
technology

1161
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,000
wasn't light apparently it was something

1162
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,760
that made the imprints

1163
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,240
and uh so you know i actually tried to

1164
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,480
push it to see if it moved

1165
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,880
and uh it was it was solid it didn't

1166
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,319
even you know if you had a car

1167
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,800
out there and you went to push it it'd

1168
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,559
move an inch or two you know what i mean

1169
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,960
right this this was solid it didn't move

1170
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:38,400
at all

1171
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,079
and uh which was perplexing

1172
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,319
uh but the good news is with with it

1173
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,400
looking somewhat inert with no

1174
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,480
more light flashing around in it it was

1175
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,079
opaque black

1176
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,160
uh very smooth to touch it was metal

1177
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:54,400
though of some kind

1178
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,079
uh no rivets uh

1179
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,880
it uh whether it was being in you know

1180
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,200
like it would no activity going on

1181
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,680
really i felt a lot better and more

1182
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,800
calmer

1183
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,559
uh because i was pretty freaked out at

1184
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,240
the at the beginning i was

1185
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:12,319
well of course you were and this was

1186
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:13,280
this it was a

1187
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,359
no jimmy it was a wtf

1188
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,839
it had to have been jim and this is uh

1189
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:21,760
before we head to the break

1190
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,040
um uh i'm a military brat uh

1191
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,200
you and i have talked about that yes yes

1192
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,000
you are yes i'm a military brat and

1193
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,880
and i grew up on military bases and i

1194
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:34,240
know my planes

1195
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,839
you are in the united states air force

1196
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,400
you know planes right that's what you

1197
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,079
and when you're looking at

1198
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,880
this what's going through your mind were

1199
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,000
you thinking

1200
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,559
uh something off planet at that moment

1201
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,359
or

1202
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:51,440
were you going somewhere else with this

1203
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:54,480
or did you even think it was

1204
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,680
five minutes five minutes okay uh prior

1205
00:50:02,710 --> 00:49:58,880
to this assignment

1206
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:02,720
uh in 75 i was uh with the sac league

1207
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:03,119
guard

1208
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,119
commander chief of sac

1209
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,200
and stuff like that in the command post

1210
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,119
and all this stuff and so we had

1211
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,640
that's where i got my top secret

1212
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,599
clearances in airmen and uh

1213
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,480
what we do is to be classified research

1214
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,160
and development meetings that that we

1215
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,640
stand outside so no one get too close to

1216
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,599
hear about it

1217
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,680
and of course you can hear all the stuff

1218
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,520
that's going on inside

1219
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,160
and uh you know like their shows and

1220
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:31,839
stuff they would show for the briefings

1221
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,319
there was they they projected 50 years

1222
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,680
in the future

1223
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:38,720
uh of r d aircraft and

1224
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:43,359
nothing nothing looked like this nothing

1225
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,200
nothing looked like that craft and

1226
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,680
so were you thinking that it was

1227
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,000
something that could fly

1228
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,640
you know what i mean thinking jimmy this

1229
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,839
thing was a brick

1230
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,440
right i don't know i don't see how it

1231
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,599
could fly that was one of the things was

1232
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,760
super holiday how and how to get here

1233
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,440
it's in a little clearing

1234
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,160
but these trees in that forest uh were

1235
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,240
like four to five feet apart

1236
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,280
i said i just paced off nine feet i mean

1237
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:13,200
i looked up and you know everything

1238
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,319
looked fairly intact on the canopy and

1239
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,400
the forest i said well how did he get

1240
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:19,760
here you know

1241
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,520
i i had all kinds of questions i mean uh

1242
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,760
and none of it made sense and the other

1243
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,359
thing is

1244
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,119
before i walked in that force i didn't

1245
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,800
believe

1246
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,119
in ufology or ufos or anything like that

1247
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,720
sort of think they were all whacked the

1248
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:36,720
people that thought that kind of stuff

1249
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,480
and uh my mind was changing really fast

1250
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,960
i knew i had something that wasn't uh

1251
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:45,040
you know in the inventory jane's book of

1252
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,319
aircraft hours

1253
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:49,280
there's or whatever it wasn't there it

1254
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,240
they couldn't fly

1255
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:52,160
but it was there and i'll tell you what

1256
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,359
sergeant stephens

1257
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,160
told me he says it didn't crash it

1258
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:57,839
landed and i says what

1259
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,640
there's no way that can happen it was

1260
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:01,760
impossible

1261
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,880
and the the uh uh i've got 90 seconds

1262
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,960
you had to do the other obvious thing

1263
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:10,720
i'm assuming you had to look

1264
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,000
up right into the trees right yes

1265
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,440
yes and what did you see i seen trees

1266
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:18,720
right

1267
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,000
branches that forest is just pitch black

1268
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:24,480
otherwise you can't see nothing the only

1269
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,599
lighting that was coming

1270
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,599
out from underneath that craft and the

1271
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,079
bubble area this bubble area i was in

1272
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,640
uh around the craft i mean it was uh it

1273
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,079
was surreal i mean the

1274
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,319
uh that's a that don't work to me give

1275
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:37,760
it justice okay

1276
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:41,520
it doesn't uh i don't know i don't have

1277
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,400
a word for it

1278
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:44,319
yeah one one last question before the

1279
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:45,440
break uh

1280
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:49,200
when you were feeling the skin

1281
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,559
right you're running your hands along

1282
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:52,480
we'll get to everything else after the

1283
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:53,280
break

1284
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:56,720
but was there any uh

1285
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,000
vibration engine any anything or was

1286
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:03,119
it was it itself just completely

1287
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,640
motionless it was motionless no sound

1288
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:09,599
and but to touch it it was warm to touch

1289
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,319
it was warm

1290
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:13,280
uh yeah but uh later you know through

1291
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,000
sergeant

1292
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,000
neville's investigation later that

1293
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:17,839
morning the next day

1294
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,200
uh that's because of the beta radiation

1295
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,280
that's what he told me that that was

1296
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,599
comforting

1297
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:27,839
let's uh let's take our break right here

1298
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,800
jim and

1299
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,040
we'll be right back tonight jim

1300
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,720
penniston joins us

1301
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,880
and we are going to do it all tonight

1302
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:36,720
we're going to do randall shim

1303
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:39,680
top to bottom back and forth to and fro

1304
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,079
and

1305
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,480
also discuss his new book we're gonna

1306
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,000
we're gonna get through it all

1307
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,119
and all of the other recent revelations

1308
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:49,359
that have surfaced in and around

1309
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:50,160
rendelsham

1310
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,760
i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

1311
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:53,920
to black stay with us we'll be right

1312
00:54:16,309 --> 00:53:55,850
back after this short break

1313
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,319
[Music]

1314
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,319
welcome back fade to black i am your

1315
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,559
host jimmy church tonight jim penniston

1316
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,599
is here now his new book

1317
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,640
the randall shim enigma is

1318
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,680
available of course and the links for it

1319
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:32,800
are over at jimmychurchradio.com we

1320
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,400
co-authored that uh with mr osborne and

1321
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:39,680
uh more on that in just a bit and

1322
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:42,559
we're gonna stay with the timeline uh

1323
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,960
jim

1324
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,119
where we are at right now because i

1325
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:46,960
think for most of us

1326
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:50,960
uh this is the the download

1327
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:54,160
period right and correct and

1328
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:57,280
so when when this happened

1329
00:55:01,349 --> 00:55:00,480
uh well actually just take us through

1330
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,359
that did you

1331
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:04,880
know at the time that

1332
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,390
no i didn't know at the time but uh i

1333
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,440
decided to do a 360 of the of the craft

1334
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,559
uh walk around and take take notes

1335
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:21,040
you know and uh i'm on the first walk

1336
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,480
around and then i start seeing you know

1337
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:24,000
like there's some type of inscription

1338
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,040
stuff on it but oh

1339
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:27,440
thank god uh it's gonna say you know

1340
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,240
nasa

1341
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,119
uh soviet something or some kind of

1342
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,680
experimental thing or something

1343
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:35,200
so somewhat relieved i got a little

1344
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,559
closer and i see they were they were

1345
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,720
like pictorial glyphs

1346
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,760
i says oh this is this is not right so

1347
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,240
i'm feeling you know the uh

1348
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,559
the craft is you know it's like i say

1349
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:48,319
it's black glass that's how smooth it

1350
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:49,119
was

1351
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,880
and as i went from that into the where

1352
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:56,319
the glyphs were

1353
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,990
five of them were down at the at the

1354
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,599
bottom and there's one in the center

1355
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:05,440
that was a triangular one with

1356
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,880
three little other ones and uh

1357
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,400
so i went for the smoothness when i

1358
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
touched the the the glyphs on the bottom

1359
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,119
it was like sandpaper the feeling you

1360
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,200
know so sort of like etched in

1361
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,920
so i i wrote those all down and then i

1362
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,960
and i mean i'm

1363
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:23,040
not in a good sense at that point in

1364
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,079
time either i'm

1365
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:27,359
pretty i'm pretty shook up uh because i

1366
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:28,160
know it's not

1367
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,839
ours and uh

1368
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:34,559
i do i walked back around and i said i

1369
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,119
gotta

1370
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:37,599
examine those glyphs a little bit better

1371
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,160
uh

1372
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,760
and i'm still waiting for the response

1373
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,280
forces i figure you know if i spend

1374
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,720
enough time out there

1375
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,640
the the response forces will coming you

1376
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:46,319
know a lot of assistance you know pretty

1377
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:47,280
soon

1378
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,640
which never did happen by the way and uh

1379
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,640
i get to the gloves again and this the

1380
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,720
one that fascinated me was the the one

1381
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,559
that was on top it was just so you know

1382
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,640
this triangular one

1383
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:00,640
hey jim can you can you move your

1384
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,319
microphone a little closer to your mouth

1385
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:06,319
there we go how's this oh perfect okay

1386
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,480
go ahead okay so the the center glyph

1387
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,400
yeah you know and that was the

1388
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,160
predominant one and it wasn't above and

1389
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,599
that's the one at fascinating

1390
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,359
so you know i was going to touch that

1391
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,640
like attached to the other ones

1392
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:21,920
and i put my hand on it to touch it and

1393
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,280
there was like a bright white light i

1394
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:27,040
can't describe the light i could see

1395
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,319
nothing else but this

1396
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:31,359
white bright light

1397
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,430
and that's another wtf moment by the way

1398
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,000
i'm like i don't know what's going on i

1399
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:42,240
i i didn't i didn't know what was going

1400
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,359
on and

1401
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,200
i sort of gained my senses it wasn't

1402
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,280
very long i gave my senses that

1403
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:50,480
i just lifted my hand off and uh they

1404
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,040
stopped

1405
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,079
light or nothing like that

1406
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,400
but it wasn't light i know it wasn't

1407
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:57,760
light because

1408
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,640
uh i had my night vision i could see

1409
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,079
everything you know that usually takes

1410
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,400
30 or 40 minutes to see

1411
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:07,680
and so uh i was pretty freaked out on

1412
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:08,640
that

1413
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,559
was never going to touch

1414
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,319
anything of you know any other part of

1415
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,040
that craft i would that was over with

1416
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:19,520
the touching of the craft as i got back

1417
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,480
around

1418
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:23,440
the lights started to move back the

1419
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,400
globular light

1420
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,960
and so i i got back and i got in a pro

1421
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,960
position trying to eat dirt

1422
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:31,119
and uh because i thought i activated

1423
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,480
something i thought it was an explode or

1424
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,920
something right right

1425
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:36,000
it says yeah keep your damn hands off of

1426
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,200
you know that's i

1427
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,760
activated some of this stupid thing and

1428
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,119
um

1429
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:44,319
then it uh uh

1430
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:47,839
started showing a lot of white light

1431
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,240
where

1432
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,400
the craft itself was you can see it no

1433
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,920
more

1434
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:54,480
not very well anyway and it started to

1435
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,119
move

1436
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,119
back through the trees which are only

1437
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,599
four or five feet apart by the way

1438
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,680
and it's nine feet because i paced that

1439
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,680
off i know it can't happen

1440
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,760
it went through them maybe about 15 or

1441
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,079
20 feet then it rose up

1442
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,839
uh to the top of the trees and

1443
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:14,079
made a slight turn and gone in a blink

1444
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:15,440
of an eye

1445
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,240
and at that point in time i got back up

1446
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:23,599
and i got girls running up next to me

1447
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,359
going there it is over there and

1448
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:29,040
you can't see nothing the forest is

1449
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,720
black i mean

1450
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,880
it's just black there's nothing you

1451
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:34,400
can't see nothing it's too dark

1452
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:38,640
right and uh

1453
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,200
so he was moving there's no problem

1454
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,040
there i'm looking back

1455
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:45,920
combat zack's moving and burles takes

1456
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:46,960
off

1457
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,720
and blows the team concept all to hell

1458
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,200
and uh so what i'm gonna do i had no

1459
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,280
choice but i took after him

1460
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,319
i and i was 26 at the time i

1461
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:01,200
maybe went about 50 feet jumped two

1462
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:02,000
fences

1463
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,200
one was barbed wire

1464
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,760
and i got to the farmer's field i fell

1465
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:09,839
down two or three times it was wet and

1466
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,400
icy i was soaked i finally

1467
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,400
finally burrell stops running somewhere

1468
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,880
around the farm past the farmer's houses

1469
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:20,960
and stuff past his field

1470
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:24,240
i said what are you doing he says i'm

1471
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,119
chasing

1472
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,319
the ufo i said where

1473
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:31,440
and so i couldn't see it and he he says

1474
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:31,760
look

1475
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,799
it's in the opposite direction by the

1476
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,720
way he was over by the

1477
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,240
coastline i'm looking i said what are

1478
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,640
you looking at and there's this faint

1479
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:44,000
light on the

1480
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,920
horizon i said that's the lighthouse

1481
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:47,599
john

1482
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,960
oh and as i said i turned around and i

1483
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,319
seen the craft again

1484
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,880
over the revolution forest and i made

1485
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,079
another turn

1486
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,720
and took off at a much slower speed i

1487
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:00,880
say maybe a couple hundred miles an hour

1488
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:03,440
and i headed over toward the uh uh

1489
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:04,559
coastline

1490
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,160
and that's the last time i seen it and

1491
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,200
uh when we went back in you know uh

1492
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:14,079
the burroughs was hit the only thing he

1493
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:15,359
was talking about is

1494
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:16,319
what are we going to tell them what are

1495
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:17,119
we going to tell them what are we going

1496
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,480
to tell them i said

1497
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:20,319
you're not going to tell them nothing

1498
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:21,680
this is i'm in charge

1499
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,880
i'll be doing the talking because i know

1500
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:25,839
this much

1501
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,119
how do we prove what happened

1502
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:31,520
we can't tell them that a ufo was out

1503
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,720
there

1504
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,040
that's the automatic career ender

1505
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,880
goodbye you're done

1506
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:38,559
and i had decided at that point in time

1507
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,760
that i was going to make career of the

1508
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:41,280
air force

1509
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:45,040
so i coined the phrase uh

1510
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:47,680
on the posting bus coming back craft

1511
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:48,880
unknown origin

1512
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:53,680
i figured i'd fly and it did

1513
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:56,880
that would fly what about cabanzack uh

1514
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,160
did he follow you guys out of the forest

1515
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,319
no he never was right in the forest edge

1516
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:03,760
i tell you it looks a lot different

1517
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,799
back then they had the the queen's

1518
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:07,839
forest is cut

1519
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,960
like a crop and they had that thing cut

1520
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:13,680
all the way to 100 or 200 yards from the

1521
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,480
east gate

1522
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,480
it all been cut down and there was

1523
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:18,799
nothing but berms where the stubs were

1524
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,319
so he was at the last access point

1525
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:24,000
that where i couldn't go any farther

1526
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:26,079
with a jeep i was going to tip it over

1527
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,520
and i said well this is a good place for

1528
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:29,200
enter control point that's that's the

1529
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:30,880
entry control point i called into

1530
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:34,160
sergeant coffee at csc so that's how

1531
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,720
they knew

1532
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,280
the next day and everything were the

1533
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,640
location of the where this

1534
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,119
uh craft was you know where it had

1535
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:42,480
landed that's where they all

1536
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,920
they all that's why they knew now i i

1537
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,760
picture something else in my mind and

1538
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:48,960
i've heard and

1539
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:52,000
read everything on this case uh you know

1540
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,359
just like everybody else i'm no

1541
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:55,200
different um but

1542
01:03:02,549 --> 01:02:58,880
i've always pictured you guys uh

1543
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,559
getting back to others uh outside of the

1544
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:04,319
force that were gathered there

1545
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:07,599
uh to to ask you guys what you know

1546
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:10,799
would you guys see so immediately after

1547
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:12,559
that you and burroughs

1548
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,680
uh who did you encounter first

1549
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,920
well we're different career fields okay

1550
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,760
we're not in the same career field girls

1551
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:21,440
and i he's a law enforcement i'm

1552
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:22,640
security specialist

1553
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:25,599
so we don't we don't we lose contact

1554
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,319
with each other

1555
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:28,240
he hits a ride back with a law

1556
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:29,599
enforcement patrol

1557
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:31,920
i come back on the posting bus those

1558
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,640
guys

1559
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,520
ah they're beside themselves we've seen

1560
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,920
it what happened we've seen this we just

1561
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:39,920
learned this like that i say i say i'm

1562
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:42,319
trying to get my notes together so i can

1563
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:46,240
do the 1569 come on guys and uh

1564
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,520
they were they're you know they're good

1565
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:49,039
guys i mean they're just freaked out as

1566
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:50,000
i was

1567
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,760
and uh anyway uh

1568
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:56,480
when i got when i got back to csc well

1569
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:57,280
you know in

1570
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,000
you know and uh uh there's guys like

1571
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,880
bertolino and uh there's a whole bunch

1572
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,839
of guys you know

1573
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,520
they have different vantage points of

1574
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,760
seeing this so this is what reynolds

1575
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,280
means it's a mass sighting i'll tell you

1576
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,640
that right now it's a mass sign

1577
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,400
it's not about me or it's not about

1578
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,839
anybody who's with me

1579
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,319
it's a mass sighting and including

1580
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,160
civilians off base so it's a big

1581
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:23,119
sighting uh you know uh probably if you

1582
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,520
take

1583
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,079
both knights a couple hundred people you

1584
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:28,319
know was seen this is a big sighting

1585
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:31,680
right and when i when i got to

1586
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:35,280
did you hear my uh briefing

1587
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:38,839
symposium by the way uh at uh

1588
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,079
mufon yeah yes yes i was there i was

1589
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,920
standing at i was standing on the back

1590
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:44,880
wall

1591
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,960
well here's what you know i started i

1592
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,920
says you know

1593
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,680
how many you know people you know know

1594
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,359
about reynolds they all raise their hand

1595
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:53,039
obviously they're here they hear about

1596
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,400
it that's right and

1597
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:56,000
and i says okay everything you know

1598
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,839
about it half of it's wrong

1599
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,440
at least half of everything you know is

1600
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,920
wrong because of the disinformation and

1601
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:05,119
everything has been put out

1602
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,559
in documentaries and books and

1603
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,079
witnesses that weren't there and all

1604
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:11,760
kinds of stuff

1605
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,960
and uh that was part of the problem i i

1606
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,240
got back to csc

1607
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,760
sergeant chandler he's the flight

1608
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,280
sergeant for bent waters

1609
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,680
he was the one that relieved me uh when

1610
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:23,760
i went to the east gate he was

1611
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:26,400
left east gate went into the forest he

1612
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,359
actually assumed

1613
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,200
command and control at the east gate for

1614
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,280
woodridge because i was in charge of

1615
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:33,359
security that night

1616
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:36,880
and uh i i said starting terrance oh man

1617
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,920
you wouldn't believe what happened out

1618
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:39,280
there he said i've seen it all

1619
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:42,000
he's seen it all for these kids he says

1620
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,880
no he says just

1621
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,640
turn your weapon in he says go ahead and

1622
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:46,960
you know the the captain wants to talk

1623
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,440
to you

1624
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:50,160
i said okay and so i wanted to see that

1625
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:50,799
i was going to

1626
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,680
do the 1569 you know i had i had to

1627
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:54,799
convert you know like

1628
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:58,240
civilian time uh to military time that's

1629
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:59,200
stuff like that

1630
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:02,000
right and and i was gonna do the 1569

1631
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,599
they do a blotter entry just for your

1632
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:05,359
listeners a blotter entry is a short

1633
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,240
entry

1634
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:08,160
you know lights in the wood fire you

1635
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:09,359
know stuff like that

1636
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:12,640
and uh the 1569 i was going to complete

1637
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:13,520
that's usually a

1638
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:16,400
detailed report exactly what happened

1639
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:17,200
and

1640
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,319
half you know typed

1641
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:21,760
and starting coffee the senior

1642
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:25,839
controller hands me the 1569 done

1643
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:28,720
and it was at that point in time i knew

1644
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:29,359
that

1645
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:30,400
they heard everything so you hear

1646
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:31,520
everything yeah we heard everything on

1647
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:32,559
the radio you heard

1648
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,000
you just couldn't uh you know you

1649
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:36,720
couldn't hear us i went wow

1650
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:39,280
and i looked at the 1569 i compared the

1651
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,400
times

1652
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:42,000
and everything and they were exactly

1653
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:44,839
right and so i didn't have to do that

1654
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,920
uh sergeant coffee is the contributor on

1655
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:49,359
the book obviously

1656
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,960
um and then i went to uh

1657
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,799
burroughs from zero at the time and then

1658
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:56,079
i said okay we gotta go see chef

1659
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:57,359
commander don't say a word

1660
01:07:01,829 --> 01:07:00,559
he did and i reported it in for both of

1661
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,839
us and

1662
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,760
at that point in time i was sanitizing

1663
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,280
everything i was doing because i was

1664
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:07,280
worried about my career

1665
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,589
captain ronald was there because bran

1666
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:15,280
had to leave early

1667
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,640
uh because he had a flight to the states

1668
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,400
uh he was going to go on leave and that

1669
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:22,559
so if the catch is playing heavily

1670
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:23,200
rarely

1671
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:26,319
so verano uh says uh we

1672
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:30,640
i reported a very uh generic uh

1673
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,920
uh account to him uh

1674
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:36,000
never used the word ufo because it was

1675
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:36,960
landed

1676
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:40,799
i used to wear a craft of unknown origin

1677
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,920
and he was just tapping those pen on the

1678
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,359
desk and he says uh

1679
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,200
gentlemen he says uh there's no way to

1680
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,480
report this

1681
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,720
i says no it knows her and he goes no he

1682
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,839
says project blue book

1683
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,280
ended in 69 we don't have a way to

1684
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:55,680
report this he says uh

1685
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,119
what what i want you to do is let us

1686
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:59,039
handle it and i want you to

1687
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,559
uh just go home and take a

1688
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,000
take three days off and enjoy your break

1689
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:08,640
and i said okay that sounded good me sir

1690
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,280
yeah yeah

1691
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:11,119
well i mean there's no other way to

1692
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:12,880
respond to that obviously it's

1693
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:15,920
it's a very intense situation

1694
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:18,560
but you're also in the military right

1695
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:18,960
and

1696
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:27,120
approaching it another way like you said

1697
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,960
you've got a career in front of you

1698
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,799
it's the military they're going to deal

1699
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:32,400
with it the way that they need to deal

1700
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,120
with it

1701
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,520
you've got a job to do and i think we

1702
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:36,799
all understand that

1703
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:39,679
oh jim jim hold on i want to back up for

1704
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:40,640
a second

1705
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:43,759
sure you had mentioned uh

1706
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:46,960
uh the the bright light and

1707
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,679
and the ones and zeroes and the binary

1708
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,040
thing that was happening you didn't

1709
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,279
understand it at that point

1710
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,440
i didn't know what binary was that ones

1711
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,440
and zeros i don't know i thought i i

1712
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,759
i don't know i mean i was thinking about

1713
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:01,520
it even on the posting bus coming back

1714
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,560
that was my question

1715
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:05,040
that would be oh right now we're worried

1716
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,000
we're reading each

1717
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:08,560
other's minds right now i love it so

1718
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,759
what were you thinking you're

1719
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,199
you're on the posting but you're going

1720
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:13,600
back and

1721
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:16,880
you know were you getting a more clearer

1722
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,440
picture

1723
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,440
were you thinking about it uh you know

1724
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,239
what was going through your mind

1725
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,880
uh well i could i could still see those

1726
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,279
ones and zeros and i says oh my god i'm

1727
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:29,040
i guess i'm traumatized with this damn

1728
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:30,480
thing you know i was i

1729
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,839
i said well i'm not gonna tell them this

1730
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:33,679
stuff i'm not gonna use the word ufo you

1731
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:34,880
know i mean this is

1732
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,080
like uh i gotta i gotta i gotta

1733
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:40,239
i gotta make sure this goes away that

1734
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:41,679
was my intent

1735
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:45,839
but the 1569 was pretty detailed okay

1736
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,199
and uh that later was picked up by uh

1737
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:51,359
agents and it was classified secret

1738
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,319
gordon car

1739
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,440
sergeant coffee and uh

1740
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,520
uh the wing command post you ever hear

1741
01:10:02,149 --> 01:09:59,520
the tapes that they talk about

1742
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:02,159
absolutely there's no videotapes okay

1743
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,440
that's zero that's done

1744
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,159
there's no such thing but we did have

1745
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,239
audio tapes there were these big

1746
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,280
tiak uh rails

1747
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:13,360
yep yep they were at the wing command

1748
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:14,719
post and what they

1749
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,920
recorded for 72 hours was all the radio

1750
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:20,000
traffic for security fire department

1751
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,000
okay and that is probably the smoking

1752
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:25,600
gun to rental ship

1753
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:29,440
those tapes and those tapes uh

1754
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,120
the uh monday or tuesday morning

1755
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,400
personally uh general gabriel came in

1756
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,719
from ramstein the commander-in-chief of

1757
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:40,480
europe air forces u.s

1758
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,840
air forces europe uh like he has nothing

1759
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:45,600
else to do

1760
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:48,719
came in and picked up those tapes those

1761
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,600
are

1762
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:52,640
probably the smoking gun to rental uh

1763
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:54,880
next to my statement i did in

1764
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,000
the osi building yeah

1765
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,040
and the uh the uh i think i think

1766
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:03,440
all of us i get a little freaked out

1767
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:04,880
when we listen to the halt

1768
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,000
uh audio recording too as well

1769
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:10,239
uh which was my first introduction into

1770
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:12,320
randall shim i'll never forget that

1771
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,960
you know okay here we go this is this is

1772
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,280
a you know this is a military

1773
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,600
situation here with the recording of an

1774
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,440
event like this

1775
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:24,080
it it it had never really been like that

1776
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:25,280
before

1777
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:27,199
um you know when we're talking about

1778
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:28,719
ufos

1779
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:32,320
um now back to uh the binary

1780
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:35,600
there is uh excuse me i'm sorry about

1781
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,159
that i

1782
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:39,199
i don't have covid i don't have covet

1783
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:42,640
um is this um

1784
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,320
the recollection of of that night of the

1785
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,719
flash of light and the and the binary

1786
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:50,880
you didn't understand it was binary

1787
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,920
but but the numbers were there but how

1788
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:54,719
long

1789
01:12:02,630 --> 01:11:58,719
was it from that night with the craft

1790
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,640
to your uh the writing down in your

1791
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:04,320
notebook

1792
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,080
uh well it was that that

1793
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:10,719
night of the the day of the 26th that

1794
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,120
night

1795
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:13,440
uh i couldn't sleep i couldn't sleep at

1796
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:14,480
all because

1797
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,920
i i was traumatized i mean uh

1798
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,920
and these ones and zeros just drive me

1799
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,600
crazy i mean

1800
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:23,840
i like to say it's a mind's eye kind of

1801
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,199
thing but i could see these and i said

1802
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:29,920
so i try to i i lay down for maybe half

1803
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,719
an hour

1804
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,679
11 o'clock on the late on the 26th going

1805
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,520
into the 27th

1806
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:38,480
and i'm at my home and uh i couldn't

1807
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,960
sleep

1808
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,440
so i said oh the hell with it i'll get

1809
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:43,360
up i make a pot of coffee i can't sleep

1810
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,320
anyway

1811
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:46,400
i sit down on my dining room table i

1812
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:47,520
pull

1813
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,040
i'm starting to doubt everything

1814
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:51,760
happened now uh because of i says

1815
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,520
uh it says this can't this can't be

1816
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,600
there's this can't be real this can't

1817
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,280
just couldn't happen

1818
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,840
and so i grabbed my notebook yeah i'm

1819
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,159
reading my notes i'm looking at it

1820
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:05,760
and i'm looking at the glyphs and

1821
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:08,800
flipping through it and of course

1822
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,640
the backing notebook is just full of

1823
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,159
nothing but blank pages

1824
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,600
and i said you know what i think i could

1825
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:15,199
write that down

1826
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,640
i'll write those things out i think i

1827
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,560
can do that and

1828
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,960
and so i got a pen and i started writing

1829
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:21,760
and

1830
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,040
you know one or zero one one

1831
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:27,280
one zero zero one one one star ratings

1832
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:28,239
down

1833
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,080
and when i did that i started feeling

1834
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,120
better and i said oh wait a minute

1835
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,120
because at that point in time

1836
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,040
i was actually considering i'd have to

1837
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,040
go to the base hospital

1838
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,640
and i didn't know where that was going

1839
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,880
to end well i'll i'll show you the right

1840
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:46,480
way

1841
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,760
what's the matter i'm seeing ones and

1842
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,159
zeros i mean is that going to work

1843
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:52,960
that's not going to work and why you

1844
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:53,360
think

1845
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,640
you know what happened to you well i was

1846
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,239
out in the forest and seeing craft on an

1847
01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:58,239
orange and this is not going to end well

1848
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,920
it just means the end of your career

1849
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,679
your clearance is gone your weapons

1850
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:02,880
cards pulled

1851
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,880
and they started discharge i mean that's

1852
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,640
that was it so i knew i couldn't go to

1853
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,159
the base hospital

1854
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,760
but so when i started writing on these

1855
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,920
ones and zeros

1856
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,760
i felt better matter of fact you know

1857
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:15,520
how pens are they have around the house

1858
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,679
i mean i'm right in and one just stopped

1859
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,199
and i'm like freaked out because it

1860
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,640
stopped i'm looking through a drawer for

1861
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:21,840
a pen that worked

1862
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,199
i start back up again i guess where i

1863
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:27,040
left off because apparently it makes

1864
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:27,679
sense

1865
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:30,800
when they decoded them and

1866
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:34,719
then i just kept writing until

1867
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:37,440
i couldn't see them no more and i felt

1868
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:38,320
great

1869
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:41,600
and i'm thinking oh jim you just dodged

1870
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:42,800
a bullet

1871
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:47,120
yeah you're gonna be okay and uh

1872
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:51,040
that that was what i call in the book

1873
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:55,360
my my episode of insanity i mean because

1874
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,320
that's what i thought it was the the

1875
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:00,080
trauma was just

1876
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:03,199
crazy and so but after that i couldn't

1877
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:04,640
see him anymore

1878
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,080
and uh so i'm not going to tell anybody

1879
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:10,000
about those ones and zeros things you

1880
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:11,440
know i'm going to keep that to myself

1881
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:12,800
and i did

1882
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,920
uh the ones and zeros for example the

1883
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:18,000
binary the only reason it got out is

1884
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:18,960
because of linda mo

1885
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,679
howe and uh john burrows yeah right

1886
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,880
right right yeah

1887
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,560
and we'll get to that we'll get to that

1888
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:26,480
after the break uh just one quick

1889
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,440
question

1890
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:30,560
uh you're living on base at that time no

1891
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,679
i was living off base

1892
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:34,320
you were off base i had i bought a house

1893
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:35,120
there yeah

1894
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:38,320
okay so and were you living alone

1895
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:41,360
no i had my wife and two kids that time

1896
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,640
and what were they uh i've never asked

1897
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:46,800
you about your personal life but

1898
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,920
um did they know uh what you were going

1899
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:50,800
through

1900
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:52,000
when you you're writing down the ones

1901
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,760
and zeros and the events of the day did

1902
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:54,800
you share this

1903
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,760
with them well when uh i got back to the

1904
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,520
house that morning

1905
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,520
uh because burroughs only lived out like

1906
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,800
a half block from me

1907
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,800
okay so i gave him a ride back and forth

1908
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,320
to work uh

1909
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,840
his flight chief wanted to make sure

1910
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,440
that he got back and forth to work so

1911
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:11,120
that's what i was doing

1912
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,800
and anyway he uh uh came with me to

1913
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,800
the house and of course we're we're all

1914
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:18,159
wet and

1915
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,760
we look ragged and uh

1916
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:24,560
so in the house was my wife and sergeant

1917
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,199
kennedy who we rented the room to

1918
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:30,560
he was there and and she says man what

1919
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:31,440
what happened

1920
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:34,719
said he looked like [\h__\h]

1921
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,760
and i said i was going to tell him a

1922
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,120
condensed version of it

1923
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:41,440
and remember at that point in time we

1924
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,640
could talk about

1925
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:44,800
the incident it wasn't like no gag order

1926
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:45,840
on it

1927
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,120
and burrell's spots out

1928
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:51,600
says we see a ufo and they started

1929
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:52,480
laughing

1930
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:55,440
including my wife at the time my ex-wife

1931
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:56,400
by the way

1932
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:59,199
and uh i said okay i said fair enough

1933
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,760
guys

1934
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:01,920
i says don't ever ask me another thing

1935
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:02,800
about

1936
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:09,120
and that's what she never did

1937
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:11,280
the uh we're gonna take a break right

1938
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:12,800
here when we come back

1939
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:16,239
uh jim we're going to briefly

1940
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,440
discuss when what went down the next day

1941
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:21,840
uh there are some things there that are

1942
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,040
significant

1943
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,239
but for us tonight i don't think uh

1944
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,320
we need to relive everything because

1945
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,239
we're going to jump straight to

1946
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:32,880
time travel okay so we'll do all of that

1947
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:34,000
right after the break

1948
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:37,120
yeah exactly our guest tonight jim

1949
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:40,640
peniston it is as promised

1950
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,880
the conversation about rendlesham okay

1951
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:44,320
we've got a lot of breaking news about

1952
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,280
randall jim

1953
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,679
and his book the randall shim enigma is

1954
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,120
out the links for it

1955
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:51,199
are over at jimmychurchradio.com i'm

1956
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your host jimmy church

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1964
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1966
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1970
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in the archives let's get straight back

1971
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:02,080
to it now

1972
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:05,679
okay so jim oh man okay we're

1973
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,480
we're gonna skip over a lot of stuff

1974
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,480
that that has been gone over so many

1975
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:12,000
times before

1976
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,280
but uh you did go through

1977
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:18,080
a pretty serious debriefing and i've

1978
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:18,800
heard different

1979
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:22,320
accounts of this um and that there was

1980
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:23,600
possibly

1981
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:26,800
a civilian in a suit maybe cia

1982
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:29,840
some government guy that was there

1983
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,360
um i don't know um

1984
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:36,000
can can you can you set the record

1985
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:36,719
straight

1986
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,000
on on on the urban uh

1987
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,120
part of this the urban legend yeah when

1988
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,120
i went down to osi building and by the

1989
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:47,199
way i knew all the osi agents there's

1990
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:48,840
nine of them

1991
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:51,600
uh osi being office of special

1992
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,880
investigations

1993
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:54,880
yes i'm sorry about that that's okay uh

1994
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:57,280
okay yeah

1995
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:00,560
uh yeah not your whole your audience

1996
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:03,679
i'm sure not none of them all been in

1997
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the air force you know the acronyms

1998
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,960
okay oh i'm so sorry about you know what

1999
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:09,840
i thought i

2000
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,440
got rid of that after i retired i

2001
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:13,679
wouldn't use those acronyms

2002
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:16,880
um yeah so i went down the uh

2003
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,000
i got a call sunday night uh

2004
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:21,679
the incident i think happened on friday

2005
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:22,880
or something like that anyway on a

2006
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sunday night i get caught from sergeant

2007
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,120
hudson i gotta

2008
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report down the osi building on monday

2009
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morning

2010
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uh i uh

2011
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which is never good i was expected

2012
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:37,360
osi handled black marketing and stuff

2013
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like that right

2014
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:42,320
you know i don't i didn't know what good

2015
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they could do

2016
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,159
um but i figured well they're going to

2017
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do an investigation and i guess i was

2018
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:48,800
eyes headline

2019
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:50,960
but i got there in the osis agents they

2020
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:52,800
didn't notice really nothing about it

2021
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:55,679
uh they said no we got a couple guys in

2022
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,560
here

2023
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:58,719
agents that want to talk to you and at

2024
01:21:03,189 --> 01:20:59,600
that time

2025
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,199
osi you know uh working overseas

2026
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:05,760
during the cold war and that they fell

2027
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,760
on an operational

2028
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:10,159
uh commanding control of the state

2029
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:10,880
department

2030
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:13,280
down in london they didn't fall under

2031
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,800
you know the air base or nothing like

2032
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:17,280
that they were independent

2033
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:20,239
so uh when i when i got into the

2034
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:21,360
debriefing room i

2035
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,390
two agents i didn't know who they were

2036
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:30,080
um

2037
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:33,600
uh anyway they told me they says uh you

2038
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,719
they gave me a legal paper or a pad of

2039
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:37,840
paper and he says they write down

2040
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,960
everything that happened and this goes

2041
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:40,080
away i went oh

2042
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,679
that's exactly what i want you know so

2043
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:46,400
i write down everything in there and

2044
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:46,719
then

2045
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,080
uh they uh

2046
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:51,840
come back you know 15 minutes later or

2047
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:53,199
20 minutes later or something like that

2048
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:53,679
and they

2049
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:56,800
type this up i said okay

2050
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,239
so they got me a coke it was comfortable

2051
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:03,040
and when they came back you know this

2052
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:03,600
four

2053
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,870
statement they have this bond paper that

2054
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:12,800
has about a quarter of

2055
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:16,080
it with single lines typing and

2056
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:19,360
i'm reading it and i says you left a lot

2057
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:20,639
of stuff out you know

2058
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,800
and they they they're also using british

2059
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:26,719
terms like the spelling of color

2060
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,600
and using meters and all kinds of stuff

2061
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:31,120
they said what we want to do is read

2062
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:31,840
this

2063
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,520
going to tell i said i got to meet the

2064
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:36,639
bass commander i said

2065
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,870
they said this story you tell this is an

2066
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,800
active investigation and they have the

2067
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:46,239
right to say that too

2068
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,920
i said okay so that means they've got to

2069
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,159
lie to the command element

2070
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,639
and they says it's not lying it's

2071
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:54,320
following orders

2072
01:23:02,550 --> 01:22:58,639
okay so i memorized it uh

2073
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:02,560
and uh i go

2074
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:06,719
up to the base commander's office

2075
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,199
they set barrels at one end at the

2076
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:11,040
conference table me another we draw our

2077
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:12,400
diagrams

2078
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,149
i wrote down what was in that statement

2079
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:20,639
they wanted me to say

2080
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:23,520
and by the way the statement that's out

2081
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:24,800
daddy line

2082
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:27,600
that's the one from osi my my statement

2083
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:28,159
i

2084
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,440
so that's not my statement all the other

2085
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:49,679
statements are signed by the way

2086
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,360
not mine and um

2087
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:55,199
anyway the uh part that you're gonna

2088
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:56,480
talk about i

2089
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,080
recall

2090
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,719
uh going in for further invest you know

2091
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,159
uh debriefing

2092
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,440
and this uh they said they they want to

2093
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:10,080
do sodium pathol and they said i said

2094
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,560
why

2095
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,760
and they said we want to make sure you

2096
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:13,199
tell the truth and this goes away oh

2097
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:14,719
there's that statement again this goes

2098
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:15,440
away

2099
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:19,760
okay that's what i want and uh

2100
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:24,080
one of the things that uh happened is uh

2101
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,520
it i i did that and it didn't go away

2102
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,679
the actual what happened at the osi

2103
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:31,199
building

2104
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:34,639
i found out by chance and that was

2105
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,480
after i retired in 1993 in 1994 i'm

2106
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:40,239
having a sleep disorder so i go to my

2107
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,120
doctor

2108
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:44,400
i can't help you i can just give you

2109
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:44,960
meds

2110
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:46,159
you know she says well what i think you

2111
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,440
should do i'll give you a referral to

2112
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,960
psychiatrist if you don't mind i said i

2113
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:50,239
don't mind i said i want to sleep i'm

2114
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:51,360
going to get two hours sleeping

2115
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,639
i don't know i'm a mess and uh

2116
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:56,480
so i started seeing the psychiatrist

2117
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,080
through this referral

2118
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:01,120
and um i see her about four or five

2119
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,320
times and she's

2120
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:04,400
you know yeah that's okay you know and i

2121
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:05,920
says well what's the problem she's well

2122
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:08,320
what i want to do is i want to do uh

2123
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,880
you know a uh a regression you know

2124
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,239
hypnosis

2125
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:14,080
she says something happened in your life

2126
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,840
that's traumatized i said

2127
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,600
like once i don't know maybe something

2128
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,520
as a child i said oh my god i said you

2129
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,120
know i was abused as a child i know i

2130
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,719
wasn't you know and she says no no no

2131
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,040
she don't freak out she says we're gonna

2132
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,679
do it so what she did is she taped them

2133
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:28,960
those were her notes

2134
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,629
excuse me i don't have covert either you

2135
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,400
don't have covert either

2136
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:41,360
well done jim well done oh so she taped

2137
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,920
them

2138
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,159
and so at the end of those that's where

2139
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,760
it comes out that

2140
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,920
slowly and penetral it was just horrible

2141
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,520
to watch him film

2142
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,760
and um which i never did until a year

2143
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:53,360
ago by the way

2144
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:57,120
and uh the uh she was nice enough back

2145
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:58,480
then they didn't care i guess about

2146
01:26:01,430 --> 01:26:00,320
getting sued she'd let me have her notes

2147
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,440
she gave them to me

2148
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:03,120
which was those two film clips four

2149
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,639
hours

2150
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:06,880
and uh only about two minutes have ever

2151
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:07,679
been shown

2152
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:10,480
publicly because they're covered under

2153
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:10,960
uh

2154
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,239
hipaa you know protected health

2155
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:16,320
information from the doctor

2156
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:19,600
and because i had lindamon howe

2157
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,960
do a transcript of them and

2158
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,560
she can't use it for any other purpose

2159
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:26,480
because it is hipaa you know i got her

2160
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:27,199
restricted

2161
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:31,120
so i stopped her from that um

2162
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:34,400
so that's the case with it and it was uh

2163
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,080
one of the things during the hypnosis

2164
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:38,320
was um they came out and i'll tell you

2165
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:39,600
when writing this book

2166
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:42,400
gary osborne took those four hours of

2167
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:43,120
tapes

2168
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,880
and he transcribed the whole things and

2169
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,239
he read them to me

2170
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,480
we did it by skype it took i don't know

2171
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:50,880
40 80 hours i don't know how many hours

2172
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:53,440
and so i actually heard everything

2173
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,080
that's in them

2174
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:56,960
you know uh through the transcript but

2175
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:57,360
uh

2176
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:59,440
i never watched it i still can't watch

2177
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,960
it no i can't imagine

2178
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:02,880
going through that no no it's too

2179
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,239
disturbing

2180
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:06,239
no and one of the things they put in is

2181
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,360
the memory block

2182
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,320
and the thing they blocked was the

2183
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,520
binary code

2184
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:13,280
that was the only thing they blocked not

2185
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,800
the fact that i was down there not the

2186
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:17,440
fact that they gave me silicon

2187
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,719
it was the binary and but the their

2188
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:22,800
achilles heel

2189
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:25,840
turns out uh in you know 2010

2190
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:29,679
to be the notebook where i recorded the

2191
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:33,600
binary uh which they didn't know existed

2192
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:34,159
they didn't

2193
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:37,679
so uh that that's actually

2194
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:41,120
they screwed up now this is

2195
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:44,000
uh this is where things for me get

2196
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,440
interesting

2197
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:48,159
i have always and i'm just going to be

2198
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,040
straight out

2199
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:52,080
with you in the audience jim i've always

2200
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:52,880
looked at this

2201
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,320
as an e.t case

2202
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,000
right something if something was

2203
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:00,080
visiting us from

2204
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,480
not of this earth okay i'm just being

2205
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:04,719
very clear that i'm not

2206
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,400
not a secret access or program not some

2207
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:11,600
you know no no nothing nothing

2208
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:12,960
terrestrial here

2209
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:16,159
that was always my view of the case and

2210
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:20,159
you uh spoke

2211
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:23,600
that you received uh you know this is in

2212
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:24,960
the book and you've talked about this

2213
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,520
quite a bit

2214
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:28,560
but uh that it

2215
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:31,600
wasn't e.t that it was

2216
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:35,040
us from the future and i always stepped

2217
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,400
back from that gym and went

2218
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:39,360
i you know everybody's got a different

2219
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,840
uh

2220
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:42,239
view of rendlesham you know although you

2221
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:43,520
spoke about it there's hundreds of

2222
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,400
witnesses

2223
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,080
and everybody that comes forward

2224
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,320
everything's just a little bit different

2225
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:51,360
you though you are right

2226
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,400
in a singular position on what this

2227
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:55,600
event was

2228
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,920
but you were also the only one to touch

2229
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,880
the craft

2230
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,639
you were the only one to walk around the

2231
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:02,639
craft you were the only one to

2232
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:04,800
see it and feel it and touch it and know

2233
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:07,760
it and so we have to take a special

2234
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:10,239
exception to what you are saying here

2235
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:13,600
now when this this part

2236
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:16,880
of randallshim uh

2237
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,520
was coming back to you and this

2238
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:21,840
communication

2239
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:25,120
how how was it how was it in

2240
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:28,000
english right was it a feeling was it a

2241
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:28,880
vibe

2242
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,560
i'm talking about the download itself of

2243
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:32,400
this information

2244
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:36,320
how did you receive it no it was

2245
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:37,360
meaningless

2246
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:39,120
i thought at the time the ones and zeros

2247
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:40,560
i didn't know what they said

2248
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,000
but i tell you what there was

2249
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,239
communication being done

2250
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:47,120
apparently because of uh i had these

2251
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:47,840
impressions

2252
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:51,199
from the contact right and and a lot of

2253
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:53,199
it matched what was in the binary

2254
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:56,719
message i'm like well you know when it

2255
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:57,760
was actually

2256
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,520
uh uh discovered the binary message in

2257
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:03,360
that

2258
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:07,840
and came to light like 30 years later uh

2259
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,159
i said oh yeah oh yeah those thoughts

2260
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,320
those sides i kept to myself you know

2261
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,320
i said yeah that's in that message i

2262
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:17,040
said well i had those i said at the time

2263
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:20,400
and uh so i that is you know

2264
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:24,159
that's a that's a time in 2010 that i

2265
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:25,040
got freaked out

2266
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:28,400
all over again because i'm like what

2267
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:31,520
kind of technology did this and and

2268
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:34,480
i tell you my belief at the time uh i

2269
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:34,960
mean

2270
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:38,639
it it it had all it had some things that

2271
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:40,000
were only human

2272
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:43,040
okay was it alien i mean they are

2273
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:44,719
why would you have a triangular shaped

2274
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,960
craft which is rare at that time

2275
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:48,960
and then why would they mark them why

2276
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,639
would they mark them with cymbals that's

2277
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:52,080
what we do we put numbers on our

2278
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:53,760
aircraft you know

2279
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:01,669
then you know obviously it had to be a

2280
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:02,480
drone there's

2281
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,880
there's no way the pie could be piloted

2282
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:06,000
by uh by us

2283
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:09,520
you know by a human it was just

2284
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:20,390
and uh yeah what was the question okay

2285
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:22,149
no you've got me on the edge of my seat

2286
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:23,520
jim trust me is

2287
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:27,920
is that was uh the binary code is one

2288
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:29,679
thing and we're gonna break that down

2289
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:31,920
here in just a second of course but

2290
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:34,159
the other part of it and you just

2291
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,000
referenced it it matched up

2292
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:38,800
with with what you were feeling and what

2293
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:39,679
you were seeing

2294
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,199
it was so was that part of the download

2295
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:45,440
it and that you were matching up here

2296
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,560
did you have an indication

2297
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,880
that you know whether it was a feeling

2298
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:52,800
or picture in your mind

2299
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,080
of this being us from the future

2300
01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,800
i knew it wasn't so much that that was

2301
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:02,239
what i initially felt

2302
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:04,400
it was that i knew it was an alien it

2303
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:06,000
wasn't e.t

2304
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,239
uh because one of the messages one of

2305
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:10,800
the impressions

2306
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:14,159
uh at the that i got from it

2307
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:18,159
is that even in the future 8 000 years

2308
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,159
they're still waiting for first contact

2309
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:22,000
oh that's something alien wants to tell

2310
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:23,440
us

2311
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,880
wow right right okay okay right so

2312
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:29,280
and then it turns out that's uh that's

2313
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,040
in the hypnosis by the way

2314
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:34,320
so i'm like wow that you know so

2315
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:37,120
the hypnosis by the way is uh pretty

2316
01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:39,600
accurate enforces everything i've seen

2317
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:43,120
and i did use

2318
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:46,480
a little bit of the uh hypnosis

2319
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,360
about when i was around the craft or

2320
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:50,800
going out there what i was thinking

2321
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:51,199
about

2322
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:54,719
kabanzak that's straight from the

2323
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:55,920
hypnosis

2324
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,679
and you know it's true the other thing

2325
01:33:02,070 --> 01:32:59,120
that people don't know

2326
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:02,080
is uh i kept journals like every day i

2327
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,679
was in the air force i kept a journal i

2328
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:05,280
logged in everything i did

2329
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:07,199
and who i talked to and what we talked

2330
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:09,280
about and i did that for 20

2331
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:13,360
plus years and uh all this stuff uh

2332
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,400
obviously when i left bent waters in 84

2333
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:18,639
uh i made sure everything was pretty

2334
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:19,520
much secure i

2335
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:22,000
shipped it myself to back to my parents

2336
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:23,760
so they were just in storage

2337
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:27,440
for a number of years up to uh

2338
01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:29,679
i don't know what year it is my parents

2339
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:30,639
finally said hey

2340
01:33:34,229 --> 01:33:32,239
come over and get these boxes this is

2341
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,239
after i retired they said can i get

2342
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:36,000
these boxes what boxes this is these

2343
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,520
boxes you put in

2344
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:39,600
your sentence they've been here in

2345
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:41,520
storage you know oh my god really and i

2346
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:43,760
go over there's like three big boxes

2347
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:46,159
and in one of the boxes of course

2348
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:47,440
besides my

2349
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:52,080
journals was my notebook for that night

2350
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:55,520
the the the next

2351
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:58,480
let's let's talk about the next week for

2352
01:34:02,550 --> 01:33:59,120
a second

2353
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:02,560
because uh we

2354
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:06,000
we now know the things that uh

2355
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:07,760
colonel chuck will just call him chuck

2356
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:09,120
chuck halt

2357
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:12,880
uh has spoken about and that is

2358
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:16,000
uh crafts with some kind of scanning

2359
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:19,280
beams coming out of them going into

2360
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:22,560
uh the weapons area apparently around

2361
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:25,520
the base there was that part uh things

2362
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:26,400
being seen

2363
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:30,800
above rendelsham force we also have

2364
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:34,480
some of the other reports of radar

2365
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:37,600
uh uh stuff that was coming in

2366
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:40,400
and around randall shim that night and

2367
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:41,920
the other reports of you know

2368
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:44,639
craft being uh in the second farmers

2369
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:45,600
field

2370
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:49,119
all of these things apparently were

2371
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:49,760
happening

2372
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:52,639
also of course uh what happened with you

2373
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:56,239
and john burroughs in the forest

2374
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:59,199
what do you make of all of that does it

2375
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:00,080
does it all make

2376
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:04,239
sense no uh

2377
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:07,520
in our book uh we get sergeant monroe

2378
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:09,760
neville's he tells his accounting

2379
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:11,920
and he by the way he's done that for the

2380
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,760
same accounting for the last

2381
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,760
with videos and all that for the last 30

2382
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:17,520
years is the same

2383
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:20,400
and uh so he wrote he actually wrote his

2384
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:21,679
chapter

2385
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:25,360
and it stays about 80 percent

2386
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:28,719
with 90 uh at the scene like halt

2387
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:31,679
what halt didn't know halt didn't know

2388
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:34,480
the morning that uh

2389
01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:37,360
we came back in the colonel conrad got a

2390
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:38,560
hold that afternoon

2391
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:41,360
got ahold of sergeant devils and along

2392
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:42,320
with bruce

2393
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,440
lieutenant england and uh he says uh

2394
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,119
go out there and investigate the landing

2395
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:49,199
site that's who went out there

2396
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:50,800
and that was in the afternoon so halt

2397
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:52,639
knew nothing about that

2398
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:55,119
and uh and i i'll tell you what monroe

2399
01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:56,080
devils does not

2400
01:36:02,709 --> 01:35:59,360
lie i mean this is accurate and uh

2401
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:02,719
so he tells about that and then he came

2402
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:04,800
back in around 7 30 that night

2403
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:06,719
to the officers club i mean he's pretty

2404
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:07,920
tired too

2405
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:10,480
and he meets with colonel conrad and all

2406
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:12,000
the officers are together they're in

2407
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,000
halts there

2408
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:16,159
uh along with other key positions

2409
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,199
maintenance officers

2410
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:20,239
there's a whole bunch over there and uh

2411
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,159
he gets with colonel connor and connor

2412
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:24,480
asks questions about well do you think

2413
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:25,520
it needs some more had more

2414
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,960
investigation he goes absolutely

2415
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:28,480
seriously there's something to this he

2416
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:29,360
says uh

2417
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:31,440
you know it's uh the area is warm you

2418
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:32,560
know hot

2419
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,880
and uh and i think it needs more

2420
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:36,400
investigation

2421
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:39,360
so uh he sends uh monroe neville's back

2422
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:40,480
out there

2423
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:44,560
hall asked to go along and he he did

2424
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:47,440
and uh that's when the tape was made the

2425
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:48,560
tape was over

2426
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,600
over a couple hours out there and uh so

2427
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:52,960
it's pretty accurate

2428
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:55,199
except halt didn't know nothing about

2429
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:56,400
colonel conrad and

2430
01:37:01,910 --> 01:36:59,600
he didn't know the fact that the

2431
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,920
uh monroe and evos was out there during

2432
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,360
the daytime investigating

2433
01:37:06,629 --> 01:37:05,440
investigating the site in the daylight

2434
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:06,639
and so

2435
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:09,360
anyway when chuck gets the book uh the

2436
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,679
relationship enigma

2437
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:13,520
it's got monroe's accounting and we in

2438
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:14,719
fairness put

2439
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:17,199
halts of county in there too by the way

2440
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:18,960
and uh

2441
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:22,239
he was upset uh he said uh he said i

2442
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,280
don't he says

2443
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:25,360
uh that's not what happened he said

2444
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,719
minerals making it up

2445
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:29,199
i said well i said so i said give me a

2446
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:30,800
break chuck i says uh

2447
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:34,159
we verified this with colonel or conrad

2448
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:37,679
and some of it with uh major general

2449
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,239
williams

2450
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:40,719
i said they said and connor had read the

2451
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:41,280
final

2452
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:44,480
chapter he says everything is accurate

2453
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:47,920
and i said so that gives your own evils

2454
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:48,320
and

2455
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:52,320
another competent witness that's true

2456
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,920
i says you don't have anybody saying

2457
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,600
this stuff's true but we put yours in

2458
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,830
there's another he's not happy but i

2459
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:01,360
want you to know that well

2460
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:04,560
you know uh chuck uh i've only uh

2461
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:07,119
hung out with him one time but very

2462
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:08,000
pleasant

2463
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:11,760
very nice guy but yes but

2464
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:14,960
he how do i how do i say this

2465
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:18,639
he is he is he will stand

2466
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,159
up for himself on a dime yeah

2467
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:24,320
right right and i i can't put it another

2468
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:25,520
way than that

2469
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:27,280
uh there's i don't think there's much

2470
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:28,719
bending there there's not a lot of

2471
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:29,440
bending room

2472
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:31,520
well here's what you wanted me to do i

2473
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:32,960
don't mind telling the public this he

2474
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:35,199
wanted me to eliminate

2475
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,800
uh the mural devil's chapter and put his

2476
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:40,639
i wouldn't do it i said i'll put yours

2477
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:43,360
in along with it as the other view

2478
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,639
i said which is already in there but

2479
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,800
if you want to rewrite something and put

2480
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,320
all the detail you want in it i said

2481
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:51,920
i'll do a revision to the book

2482
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:54,960
and i would go with it and he he didn't

2483
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,080
want to do that

2484
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,400
now but he was speechless though after i

2485
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,320
told him it was all verified by conrad

2486
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,400
and and general williams i used to say

2487
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,320
another word well i don't have

2488
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:06,400
uh jim i don't i don't think anybody

2489
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:07,600
does i i don't ha

2490
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,920
i don't take any issue with different uh

2491
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:13,199
recollections

2492
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:16,560
of those three days i mean

2493
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:19,520
ninety percent of what what monroe

2494
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:20,800
neville says

2495
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:23,920
uh and halt say are identical out in the

2496
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,560
forest they're

2497
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:26,480
right beside each other right the part

2498
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:28,080
that differs is the

2499
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:30,239
other stuff the territory stuff you know

2500
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:31,280
who ordered what

2501
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,159
who ordered this you know right right

2502
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:36,320
yeah i don't know i wasn't there on that

2503
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:37,760
i mean i'm going by what

2504
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,760
neville said and i'll tell you what i i

2505
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:41,360
listen to three

2506
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:44,239
tapes and they're all identical and that

2507
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,600
he did and

2508
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:47,280
when the colonel conrad said it's

2509
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:49,119
absolutely right when you read the draft

2510
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:51,040
i went okay that's good enough for me

2511
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:52,840
yeah now okay

2512
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:55,679
so this is

2513
01:40:02,310 --> 01:39:58,800
let's let's get straight to it halt's

2514
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:02,320
uh account with with his team out there

2515
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:05,360
uh which is on the audio tape uh speaks

2516
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:05,840
about

2517
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:09,040
uh a blinking eye right and and and the

2518
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,080
and the metal dripping uh part of

2519
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:13,840
his description of what they were seeing

2520
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:15,679
moving through the trees

2521
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:18,000
so does minerals same it's the same

2522
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:19,280
that's right

2523
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:22,000
so but what i'm referring to is that

2524
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:23,679
blinking eye

2525
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:27,199
does that cross-reference to what you

2526
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,760
saw

2527
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:30,000
with the craft did you see anything that

2528
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:30,960
could have been

2529
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:34,320
a blinking eye no and

2530
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:37,679
and do you think that it was the

2531
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,400
possibility of two different craft

2532
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:43,280
or the same craft just acting

2533
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:48,070
i don't know what to think on that i can

2534
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,000
only go by go by what the witnesses

2535
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:52,800
tell me right you know neville's and uh

2536
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:53,440
uh

2537
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:02,159
four craft that's right

2538
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:04,000
flying but those are ufos those are

2539
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:05,199
lights in the sky you know

2540
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:08,080
right so i but the part that got me is

2541
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:08,960
when ball

2542
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,679
sergeant ball uh said that they look

2543
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,520
like they're doing a grid search

2544
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:15,760
and that's the part that i got out of it

2545
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:17,600
that was fascinating

2546
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:21,679
uh it was that part i mean

2547
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:24,960
what what happens later is is is

2548
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,480
what the air force did is that to

2549
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,320
cover up the first night and they tried

2550
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:32,080
to cover they did it successfully for

2551
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,800
years

2552
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,719
they covered up the first night what

2553
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,400
they did is they

2554
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:38,800
melded with the third so it was one

2555
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:39,440
incident

2556
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,440
which was brilliantly done by them and

2557
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:46,080
that that night was actually the cover

2558
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,119
story

2559
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,360
uh the third night they used and then

2560
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:51,440
they expanded on it it got

2561
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,719
really bizarre to make it another ufo

2562
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,000
story that's all

2563
01:42:02,790 --> 01:41:59,280
and i mean like beans and floating stuff

2564
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,800
and they did all that stuff and

2565
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,400
matter of fact that's where warren comes

2566
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:06,000
up with the cover story that's that's

2567
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:07,760
the story it's in the lefty skate by the

2568
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:08,719
way

2569
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,960
uh it's the cover story that they uh

2570
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:13,119
manufactured i tell how the cover story

2571
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:14,159
happened

2572
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:16,960
and uh who was facilitating that and who

2573
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:18,800
got the information out

2574
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:21,520
uh who's in charge of that and that's

2575
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:22,159
all in the

2576
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:24,000
in the counter or in the uh not the

2577
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:25,360
encounter book but the uh

2578
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:28,560
enigma book so and now

2579
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:30,239
uh we're we're going to come back after

2580
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,520
the break and talk about all of the

2581
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:33,040
recent stuff over the last couple of

2582
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,400
weeks that you're

2583
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:36,880
very familiar with and we'll we'll get

2584
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:38,000
to that

2585
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:41,199
but before we get to the break there is

2586
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:41,600
the

2587
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:48,000
we have i'm not going to speak for for

2588
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:48,960
chuck

2589
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:53,040
um but i think that the general

2590
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:56,239
uh uh consensus is

2591
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:00,080
that chuck is e.t on this

2592
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,679
that this was this was extraterrestrial

2593
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,280
again i'm not speaking for chuck but i

2594
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:07,520
think he said that enough that we can

2595
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:10,880
come to that conclusion well when we

2596
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:11,520
talk about

2597
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:16,719
that's hollywood term okay

2598
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:17,679
what i'm talking about is

2599
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:19,280
interdimensional travel that's time

2600
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:19,760
travel

2601
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:22,400
sure being able to yeah and uh so i

2602
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:24,080
don't know what uh

2603
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:25,520
chuck actually thinks about that i'll

2604
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,880
tell you right now chuck is an

2605
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:28,960
outstanding officer he i really enjoyed

2606
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:29,920
working for him

2607
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,320
i got to know him really well i had to

2608
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:34,560
do reports for him and four years after

2609
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:37,360
at bentwaters i mean don't get me wrong

2610
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:38,320
on this it's just

2611
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:40,320
i i'm going with other witnesses with

2612
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:42,320
different just slightly different

2613
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,960
viewpoints and they get upset i don't

2614
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:45,920
know what to say

2615
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,199
you know no chuck's a nice guy

2616
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:51,920
yes guys he's got a great smile man and

2617
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,280
i think he's a

2618
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:55,679
uh he's a he's a down to earth i think

2619
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:56,800
he's a girl

2620
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:59,360
besides a great guy he was he was a very

2621
01:44:02,070 --> 01:44:00,480
good officer

2622
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:02,080
i mean i enjoyed working for him he was

2623
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:04,159
a he was a sergeant's colonel man i

2624
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:05,040
liked him

2625
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:06,719
you know i mean he's the only guy i know

2626
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:08,320
would come out and do exercises with

2627
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:09,600
flight exercises

2628
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:12,239
get on ground get handcuffed get beat up

2629
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:13,600
he didn't care

2630
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,199
i mean yeah i mean come on guys take it

2631
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:18,800
easy that's the that's the deputy base

2632
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:20,000
commander man don't don't be

2633
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:21,840
kneeing them in the kidneys you know

2634
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:24,560
okay so leaving inter-dimensional

2635
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:26,960
aside or time travel whatever we want to

2636
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:28,000
call it

2637
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,520
is the door open for you uh for this to

2638
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:32,880
have a pure

2639
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:36,159
extraterrestrial component to it or that

2640
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:46,950
i'm going with the because of the

2641
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:48,080
impressions and

2642
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:50,080
also besides some of the work that was

2643
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:51,280
done with uh

2644
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,639
i don't know if you're familiar with

2645
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,040
jack safarti and

2646
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:58,159
and uh some of the some of the things

2647
01:45:01,750 --> 01:44:59,280
around the uh

2648
01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:01,760
the reynolds who craft are identical to

2649
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:02,560
the tic tac

2650
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:06,480
okay the bubble the able to

2651
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:09,520
distort the area around the craft the

2652
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:10,480
low voltage

2653
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,960
of the fabric of the craft the skin of

2654
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:13,679
the craft

2655
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:16,560
and having the low voltage and that all

2656
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:18,000
this matches with the

2657
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:21,199
he has uh presented and uh

2658
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:24,800
jack also uh rubber stamped that he

2659
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:26,239
believes that they're not

2660
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:29,600
et he believes it's time travelers

2661
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:31,600
there you go let's take our break right

2662
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:33,760
here this is fade to black i

2663
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:35,600
am your host jimmy church our guest

2664
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:37,040
tonight jim patterson what a great

2665
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:38,320
conversation

2666
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:41,040
and obviously we'll be back after this

2667
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:41,920
short break

2668
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:45,360
and we're gonna go uh into

2669
01:45:50,709 --> 01:45:49,119
what has been all all of the talk over

2670
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,719
the last couple of weeks

2671
01:45:58,020 --> 01:45:52,560
and it's uh gotten pretty interesting

2672
01:46:06,070 --> 01:45:58,030
stay with us we'll be right back

2673
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:08,310
all right welcome back fade to black i

2674
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:10,000
am your host jimmy church tonight jim

2675
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:11,199
peniston

2676
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,239
what a great conversation and

2677
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:16,639
uh you know jim i i just want to thank

2678
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,760
you uh

2679
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:20,159
right now uh for not only coming back on

2680
01:46:24,629 --> 01:46:21,360
the show but

2681
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:24,639
uh you know recalling this uh

2682
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:27,520
and i don't want to for you and for

2683
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,239
everybody else

2684
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:31,119
just recount the detail after detail in

2685
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,159
the minutia

2686
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,560
and going over this over and over again

2687
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:36,239
that's not what's most important here

2688
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:36,560
the

2689
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:39,679
what's what's most important is for you

2690
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:42,719
as an individual and your experience

2691
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:45,840
uh to to bring this out the best way

2692
01:46:50,709 --> 01:46:47,199
that you can

2693
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,719
because it's your experience and and

2694
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:52,800
and i like to just have a conversation

2695
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:54,159
and that's what we're doing and i want

2696
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:56,000
to thank you for that it's just uh

2697
01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:58,880
been tremendous for me once again so

2698
01:47:03,350 --> 01:46:59,600
thank you

2699
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:03,360
yeah that being said uh nick redfearn's

2700
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:04,560
got a new book out

2701
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,639
uh that you're aware of i don't know if

2702
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:08,880
you've read it but yes

2703
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:12,000
okay you have uh but you certainly are

2704
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:14,960
aware of the show that we had last week

2705
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,600
with nick

2706
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:17,520
and and i've got a lot of respect for

2707
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:18,880
nick and

2708
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:22,639
the and this is this is my take

2709
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:25,119
my take is with anything when it comes

2710
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:26,239
to ufos

2711
01:47:32,070 --> 01:47:30,000
anything because uh there's so much

2712
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,080
out there that we don't understand that

2713
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:34,239
we've gotta listen to everybody

2714
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:36,800
we've gotta collect everything throw

2715
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:38,480
this stuff in the middle of the table

2716
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:40,719
and and discuss it try to see what we've

2717
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,960
got that's what we have to do we have to

2718
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:44,159
have an open mind

2719
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:46,080
we have a closed mind then we're not

2720
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:48,480
going to make any progress going forward

2721
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:51,600
but he has uh

2722
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:53,360
laid out through a lot of diligent

2723
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:55,520
research uh

2724
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:58,719
this information and i have

2725
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:00,639
i have issues with it but this is the

2726
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:02,560
deal and nick knows

2727
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:05,840
going into this that there's a lot of uh

2728
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:07,920
evidence and data and eyewitness stuff

2729
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:09,679
out there about rendleshim

2730
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,199
that is gonna directly uh come up and

2731
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,920
and clash with what is in this book and

2732
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:17,199
he knew that

2733
01:48:21,669 --> 01:48:20,400
so i i have to my hat's off to nick

2734
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,679
because you know that

2735
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:23,920
it's going to come at you man there's no

2736
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:24,719
question

2737
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:27,520
and there is a couple of things that we

2738
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:28,560
need to discuss

2739
01:48:33,550 --> 01:48:32,400
first and foremost if this is some type

2740
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:33,560
of

2741
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:36,960
holographic technology that is being

2742
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,440
projected into the forest

2743
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:42,080
then what was the object that you went

2744
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:43,360
up and touched

2745
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:46,320
that doesn't make any sense does it no

2746
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:47,520
i'm 100

2747
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,639
certain it was a holographic that is

2748
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:52,320
just uh absurd to me

2749
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:55,840
i mean nick's got a theory okay

2750
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:58,400
uh theories i mean i asked i talked to

2751
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,199
him about it and he

2752
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:01,040
finally said well it's just a theory i

2753
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,239
went okay

2754
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:04,239
the theory you know they come you know

2755
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:05,679
there's lots of them

2756
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,920
he based on some old documents he found

2757
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:09,280
foia stuff you're not going to find

2758
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:12,080
nothing for you i'll tell you that

2759
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:13,599
all the classified stuff is still

2760
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:15,119
classified

2761
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:18,080
um but anyway so he has a right to his

2762
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:18,960
theory but that

2763
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:21,199
that's definitely not uh i'll tell you

2764
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,920
why first of all it wasn't just

2765
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:25,280
we don't first of all we don't conduct

2766
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,000
uh uh any kind of exercises like

2767
01:49:33,589 --> 01:49:31,040
that uh that he would refer to

2768
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:33,599
around a nuclear base okay that that

2769
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:35,440
doesn't happen

2770
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:40,239
they do with that creature air force

2771
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:43,679
air station in nevada and and

2772
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:46,480
at uh nellis that's where the testing

2773
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:47,440
would be done

2774
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:49,679
not overseas yeah move your microphone

2775
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:51,199
back to your mouth

2776
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:53,280
yeah or not overseas it would be around

2777
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:54,800
you know that's where the

2778
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:56,880
they wouldn't do it around active base

2779
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:58,000
wartime issue and

2780
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:59,440
with nuclear weapons they wouldn't do

2781
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:01,360
that it's just impossible

2782
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,119
to even even consider that fact

2783
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:06,880
uh okay matter of fact we wouldn't do

2784
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,719
exercise that this would do them

2785
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:10,560
and here's we have some peripheral

2786
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:12,080
information since this rental ship

2787
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:13,520
enigma book came out

2788
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:16,800
that shows that the the uh peripheral

2789
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:19,920
uh impact of rental ship was felt 900

2790
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:22,080
miles away 1100 miles away 3000 miles

2791
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,719
away

2792
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:25,280
because other units at the pentagon at

2793
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:26,800
uh

2794
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:32,560
the the comm center i mean there's just

2795
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,599
there's

2796
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:35,679
this if they would have had to have a

2797
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:36,960
holographic

2798
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,119
they would have had to orchestrate two

2799
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:41,440
major air commands

2800
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,599
and the department of defense and the

2801
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,280
civilians and

2802
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:47,840
200 witnesses including civilians it's

2803
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:48,719
impossible

2804
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,159
okay okay so let's uh let's

2805
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:55,199
let's stay on this for a second so let's

2806
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,239
say

2807
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:58,639
it is you know there were some kind of

2808
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:00,800
holographic projections

2809
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:05,360
they would have had to have built

2810
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:09,119
a model of this craft and placed it

2811
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:12,639
in the forest where you were going to

2812
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:16,080
walk directly into it in advance

2813
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:19,280
right if this if if we're assuming all

2814
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:20,080
of these things

2815
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:24,560
coming into play is that possible

2816
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:28,000
no no it's not possible i mean

2817
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:31,280
uh one is well holly explained the

2818
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,040
you know the broken branches and all

2819
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:35,840
this other stuff in

2820
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:38,880
the heat of the craft and it's solid i

2821
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:39,679
mean it wasn't

2822
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:41,520
the impressions in the ground the radar

2823
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:42,960
trackings uh

2824
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,080
uh i the fact that uh

2825
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:48,719
uh you know certain bases uh along the

2826
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,840
warsaw pack one

2827
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:52,159
and they had a defcon change from

2828
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:53,280
headquarters uh

2829
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,239
air force right how do they explain that

2830
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,400
i mean for an exercise no

2831
01:52:01,589 --> 01:52:00,719
they don't do that you don't think it's

2832
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:01,599
possible

2833
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:05,920
for a hollywood special effects

2834
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:09,360
movie making staging of a scene

2835
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:12,480
situation to have taken place

2836
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:15,599
no because it the craft moves i mean it

2837
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:16,560
took off

2838
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,560
right right okay so next

2839
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:22,560
uh you know i've got a whole you know

2840
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:23,760
you can have all he can have all the

2841
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:25,280
theories you want it's just that this

2842
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:25,920
one

2843
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:27,760
you know in certain deceptive the book

2844
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:28,960
i'm going to be

2845
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,800
honest about it he puts the re the

2846
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,560
reynolds 4 is inside about because it's

2847
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:34,080
the most popular

2848
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:36,239
incident right now when i read the book

2849
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:38,320
i i don't think two pages were about

2850
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:39,599
reynolds the rest of

2851
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:43,040
180 pages was about other other

2852
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,840
sources well he does do what one thing

2853
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:46,880
that he did do

2854
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:50,239
in the book uh the first uh

2855
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:53,440
the first 20 or 30 pages in the book was

2856
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:55,360
a recounting of the original

2857
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:58,480
investigation with jenny randalls and

2858
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,960
and and so forth back in the beginning

2859
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,000
and

2860
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:04,080
that for me was a good refresher course

2861
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:05,760
i was like man i forgot about that

2862
01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:07,280
that's right that's right i forgot about

2863
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,679
that so that's included but

2864
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:11,280
in the second half of the book where

2865
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:12,800
he's putting

2866
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:16,080
these other uh individuals into play

2867
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:17,599
that were working on these secret

2868
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,199
programs back then

2869
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:22,000
and the possibility of this happening in

2870
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,599
reynolds from forces

2871
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:25,440
is what the book is about and we do have

2872
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:26,880
to let our mind

2873
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:29,599
go a little bit free to accept that this

2874
01:53:35,229 --> 01:53:30,960
is a possibility

2875
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:35,239
and then there's the other part a mild

2876
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:38,880
hallucinogenic drug that was misted

2877
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:42,400
into the forest um

2878
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:44,560
let's let's let's just go straight there

2879
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:45,760
did you feel high

2880
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:46,960
did you think that you were

2881
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:49,679
hallucinating at any point

2882
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,950
this jimmy i'm sorry it's just this is

2883
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,880
so ridiculous i can't even

2884
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,639
you can't put my arms around it right

2885
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,159
sorry well i have to

2886
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,719
i have to i know i know it's you know uh

2887
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:04,800
he says he's a researcher he's not if

2888
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:07,199
i mean jenny rounds is not the research

2889
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:08,960
okay i mean that's not where you want to

2890
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:10,080
go with this

2891
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:13,199
uh i mean uh those uh

2892
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:16,800
uh dot and brenda they had me and

2893
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:17,360
they're

2894
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:18,960
missed when i went and i just was

2895
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:20,480
because of this uh

2896
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:23,520
an 83 that the news of the world article

2897
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:24,400
came out

2898
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:25,760
and i said oh i'm gonna get a hold of

2899
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,280
these people i mean the hell with the

2900
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,000
damn claire's stuff i'm not telling that

2901
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:32,320
what they put in there's a bunch of bs

2902
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:34,239
and when i met with him

2903
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:36,560
i said i'll openly talk to you about it

2904
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:38,159
uh and

2905
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:40,000
the the first question at that time

2906
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,599
because it was classified

2907
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,840
uh they asked me so do you have nuclear

2908
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:45,199
weapons here i said well

2909
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:47,280
listen this interview is over goodbye

2910
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:48,560
and i left

2911
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:51,840
and uh so and then when i read

2912
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:55,360
what was that sky crash when i read that

2913
01:55:02,550 --> 01:54:58,880
uh they compiled people's testimonies

2914
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:02,560
from ingalls testimony mind to into one

2915
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:04,000
person it was

2916
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:07,520
horrible so this stuff i told uh

2917
01:55:13,830 --> 01:55:11,040
you know uh dot street and brenda

2918
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:13,840
uh butler i told him about it uh you

2919
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:15,599
know we're okay with it they know they

2920
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,560
do a great job

2921
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:18,639
i mean but you know they were the

2922
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:20,639
initial whistleblower so i'll give them

2923
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:21,840
that

2924
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:25,199
yeah now there is uh

2925
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:28,320
i'll come back to nick in a second um as

2926
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,199
you know

2927
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:31,440
uh i don't know if you listen to it but

2928
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:32,639
i'm sure you're aware that john

2929
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:33,520
burroughs

2930
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:36,480
called into the show the next night uh

2931
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:39,119
called into fade to black and

2932
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:43,040
we ended up talking for about 90 minutes

2933
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:46,320
and one of the things that he said that

2934
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,599
night

2935
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:49,840
and i think that john has always

2936
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:51,520
maintained a position of

2937
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:53,119
you know what i don't know what the hell

2938
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:55,440
you know went on i don't know if it's

2939
01:56:03,109 --> 01:55:59,360
e.t ufos or whatever but he did say

2940
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:03,119
that he went back and reviewed his

2941
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,400
uh hypnosis and regression sessions

2942
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:08,400
and one of the things that he spoke

2943
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:10,960
about in one of the sessions

2944
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:14,480
was time travel and

2945
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:18,719
and he said that that is something

2946
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:22,800
that he has to uh uh consider

2947
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:26,000
and and think about today when

2948
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,159
when you hear john burroughs say that

2949
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:30,239
what goes through your mind

2950
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:33,360
nothing i i you gotta remember

2951
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:35,599
uh he was right he was beside me i mean

2952
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:38,000
how does he not know

2953
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:40,400
you know what i mean i can't even fathom

2954
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:41,119
that

2955
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:44,080
uh he when we're in halt's office in a

2956
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,679
debriefing he talked about triangular

2957
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:47,360
craft he talked about

2958
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:50,400
uh he drew a drawing of it he he

2959
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,320
talked about the object out there called

2960
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:54,480
confirmed also all of this

2961
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,040
and then in 2010 we didn't talk for the

2962
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:59,280
13 14 years and we never did talk about

2963
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:00,480
the incident

2964
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:02,880
uh because we were together why would we

2965
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:03,920
um

2966
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:06,159
and then in 2010 when i met him at a

2967
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,199
diner halfway

2968
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:09,840
in between our houses here in illinois

2969
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:10,560
uh

2970
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:16,480
dick your contact with this craft is is

2971
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:17,119
that

2972
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:20,239
by uh

2973
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:22,639
hypnosis this is hypnosis i said no

2974
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:24,239
that's what i remember

2975
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:26,719
he said all i remember is lights i says

2976
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:28,639
well i said that's changed since the

2977
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:30,239
initial contact

2978
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:31,679
and i said well you go ahead and brief

2979
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:33,119
anything you want i said i don't care

2980
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:34,800
i'm gonna stick with the facts

2981
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:38,560
and that's what i've done and uh

2982
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:41,760
and then i'll continue to do that and

2983
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:43,840
i'm not i i don't know what what

2984
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:44,880
happened out there

2985
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:46,880
outside that the bubble that i was in i

2986
01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:49,360
don't know what what he perceived

2987
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:52,960
i don't know if time was instant and he

2988
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:55,280
the the 45 minutes that i was inside

2989
01:57:59,430 --> 01:57:56,560
that area

2990
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:59,440
uh which is documented because my watch

2991
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,880
electronic watch

2992
01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:03,119
and according to csc central security

2993
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:04,880
control it matched

2994
01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:07,520
uh maybe it was all instant for him i

2995
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:08,320
don't know

2996
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:11,440
well what's most important here is

2997
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:14,719
is that we know that

2998
01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:17,360
something happened in the forest that

2999
01:58:21,669 --> 01:58:18,239
night

3000
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:21,679
and and john was there and he is able to

3001
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:24,400
recount things up to a certain point

3002
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:27,119
but what is most important is the the

3003
01:58:32,229 --> 01:58:28,880
not only the cover-up

3004
01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:32,239
but that this is involving the military

3005
01:58:37,030 --> 01:58:34,480
and and you and john were there but

3006
01:58:41,109 --> 01:58:37,040
there's another aspect to this

3007
01:58:44,390 --> 01:58:41,119
when nick says that there was this

3008
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:44,400
mild hallucinogenic mist

3009
01:58:49,750 --> 01:58:47,760
if everybody is high right if everybody

3010
01:58:52,470 --> 01:58:49,760
is inhaling this mist

3011
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:52,480
i have to ask you jim is it possible for

3012
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:54,800
everybody to hallucinate the same thing

3013
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:57,920
right i don't know i don't know

3014
01:59:01,990 --> 01:59:00,800
let's go with uh i met with kick green

3015
01:59:05,910 --> 01:59:02,000
three years ago

3016
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:05,920
and his his research team that he's with

3017
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:08,719
uh there's eight doctors and scientists

3018
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:10,400
out of nevada and that they're

3019
01:59:14,229 --> 01:59:12,320
they're working with they work for uh

3020
01:59:17,750 --> 01:59:14,239
what's like bigelow industries

3021
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:17,760
right and they had determined they had

3022
01:59:23,109 --> 01:59:21,360
looked at 50 people uh that had uh you

3023
01:59:26,390 --> 01:59:23,119
know contact and

3024
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:26,400
uh and i said well okay and they said

3025
01:59:28,709 --> 01:59:27,679
well we're looking at youtube because

3026
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:28,719
you're the closest

3027
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:29,840
i said what about the other people's

3028
01:59:35,189 --> 01:59:31,760
well they're no longer alive oh

3029
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:35,199
that's reassuring wow uh yeah and he

3030
01:59:37,669 --> 01:59:35,760
says

3031
01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:37,679
the phenomena itself this what this is

3032
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:39,520
according green this is not me talking

3033
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:41,840
according to green he says the phenomena

3034
01:59:45,669 --> 01:59:44,159
will make you see things that you

3035
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:45,679
psychologically

3036
01:59:49,910 --> 01:59:48,719
want to see at a distance maybe 2000 if

3037
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,920
you believe in aliens you're going to

3038
01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:51,360
see aliens okay

3039
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:53,199
but the closer you get he says i believe

3040
01:59:57,910 --> 01:59:54,639
he says inside this

3041
01:59:58,629 --> 01:59:57,920
this warping this time this time area

3042
02:00:02,070 --> 01:59:58,639
that you were

3043
02:00:04,709 --> 02:00:02,080
at he says you were uh

3044
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:04,719
uh were not affected by it it was

3045
02:00:08,470 --> 02:00:06,560
something with the craft itself you've

3046
02:00:10,390 --> 02:00:08,480
seen it for what it was

3047
02:00:11,990 --> 02:00:10,400
and he says what that's why you want to

3048
02:00:15,990 --> 02:00:12,000
do additional testing you want to do

3049
02:00:17,669 --> 02:00:16,000
mris he thinks that inside

3050
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,679
that there's a signature has left inside

3051
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:19,280
our brain from this

3052
02:00:23,910 --> 02:00:21,920
and he wanted to do testing at sri

3053
02:00:28,790 --> 02:00:23,920
research center and all this other stuff

3054
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:28,800
and i said no and

3055
02:00:35,430 --> 02:00:32,560
his carrot was he get he would give me a

3056
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:35,440
full va disability if i cooperated and i

3057
02:00:38,830 --> 02:00:36,320
went uh-uh

3058
02:00:40,229 --> 02:00:38,840
i don't know to do with that so i

3059
02:00:43,109 --> 02:00:40,239
stopped and

3060
02:00:45,189 --> 02:00:43,119
uh so that's that to go back to

3061
02:00:45,830 --> 02:00:45,199
hallucinating that's just not an option

3062
02:00:50,550 --> 02:00:45,840
i mean

3063
02:00:54,470 --> 02:00:50,560
mother's day with your family

3064
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:54,480
who me which one the answer uh never

3065
02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:56,480
i don't think you don't remember that

3066
02:01:00,149 --> 02:00:57,760
huh oh no you mean

3067
02:01:02,709 --> 02:01:00,159
just a couple of days ago that's right

3068
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:02,719
oh yeah yeah yes that i remember

3069
02:01:06,149 --> 02:01:04,560
i don't remember i remember driving the

3070
02:01:08,950 --> 02:01:06,159
studio yes

3071
02:01:09,910 --> 02:01:08,960
okay that's that's what i remember i

3072
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:09,920
remember

3073
02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:13,360
that way i mean it's uh uh it happened

3074
02:01:19,350 --> 02:01:16,560
it's a memory uh it's not no

3075
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:19,360
besides that what what he's talking

3076
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:20,800
about it's not even

3077
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:23,520
possible with the air force overseas

3078
02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:24,159
okay

3079
02:01:27,589 --> 02:01:26,400
right it's just not going to happen and

3080
02:01:28,709 --> 02:01:27,599
there's some other things that just

3081
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:28,719
discredited

3082
02:01:32,310 --> 02:01:30,400
and i want to talk about the book for a

3083
02:01:34,070 --> 02:01:32,320
second because

3084
02:01:35,990 --> 02:01:34,080
after the book's been published for you

3085
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:36,000
know for the last six months

3086
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:38,800
we had other peripheral witnesses come

3087
02:01:42,629 --> 02:01:39,840
forward

3088
02:01:45,430 --> 02:01:42,639
and this is a retiree uh air force

3089
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:45,440
retiree works at communications squadron

3090
02:01:49,270 --> 02:01:48,320
at helicon air base uh athens greece in

3091
02:01:52,790 --> 02:01:49,280
1980

3092
02:01:56,310 --> 02:01:52,800
he was working the night uh night shift

3093
02:01:57,430 --> 02:01:56,320
at the time of uh reynolds and uh i'm

3094
02:02:01,750 --> 02:01:57,440
gonna read a little bit

3095
02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:01,760
they wrote his words not mine right

3096
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:05,920
uh you remember how the ufo ufo incident

3097
02:02:09,109 --> 02:02:07,920
closed the betweeners woodbreach base

3098
02:02:11,350 --> 02:02:09,119
and usaf

3099
02:02:12,270 --> 02:02:11,360
bases in suffolk england on the early

3100
02:02:16,070 --> 02:02:12,280
morning hours

3101
02:02:18,629 --> 02:02:16,080
of december 26 1980

3102
02:02:20,709 --> 02:02:18,639
required that all european block

3103
02:02:21,589 --> 02:02:20,719
military bases were going to go alert

3104
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:21,599
status

3105
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:25,679
moving from defcon 4 to defcon 2.

3106
02:02:30,709 --> 02:02:28,639
so there was a down channel report to

3107
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:30,719
the his communications center

3108
02:02:35,189 --> 02:02:33,679
from jcs joint chiefs of staff and at

3109
02:02:38,709 --> 02:02:35,199
the pentagon

3110
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:38,719
initiating a a change in defcon

3111
02:02:44,790 --> 02:02:41,840
to from four normal security

3112
02:02:46,229 --> 02:02:44,800
to defcon 2 which is [\h__\h] pistol ready

3113
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:46,239
for war

3114
02:02:50,790 --> 02:02:48,560
and that was initiated at the exact same

3115
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,800
time as my helping hand channel went up

3116
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:52,639
it confirms my helping hand report went

3117
02:02:56,550 --> 02:02:53,360
up

3118
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:56,560
it also confirms that it was uh down

3119
02:03:01,990 --> 02:02:58,639
channeled and affected other bases

3120
02:03:03,189 --> 02:03:02,000
can that be done by a hologram i would

3121
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:03,199
think not

3122
02:03:09,589 --> 02:03:07,599
his name's uh

3123
02:03:11,109 --> 02:03:09,599
uh he's retired sergeant too and he had

3124
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:11,119
top secret clearance

3125
02:03:17,350 --> 02:03:14,800
uh that's mark cartier and uh

3126
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:17,360
so i have people like this that they're

3127
02:03:20,229 --> 02:03:18,560
that what we're going to do is we're

3128
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:20,239
going to add those uh

3129
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:23,840
updates into the 300 pages of endnotes

3130
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:24,880
that we have in the

3131
02:03:30,709 --> 02:03:28,400
render mcnigle book in the book i i

3132
02:03:32,229 --> 02:03:30,719
don't want anybody to believe what i say

3133
02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:32,239
i want to go ahead and look at the

3134
02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:33,760
endnotes because

3135
02:03:40,470 --> 02:03:36,800
in those endnotes is the verification by

3136
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:40,480
evidence and statements uh

3137
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:43,360
two three four five six in some cases

3138
02:03:48,229 --> 02:03:44,800
eight levels deep

3139
02:03:51,030 --> 02:03:48,239
backing up what i say so uh

3140
02:03:51,990 --> 02:03:51,040
you know there's no doubt about uh what

3141
02:03:56,069 --> 02:03:52,000
happened in

3142
02:03:58,310 --> 02:03:56,079
my intent with um uh the book

3143
02:03:59,430 --> 02:03:58,320
is to present all the facts which are in

3144
02:04:03,669 --> 02:03:59,440
there

3145
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:03,679
how it happened and for the reader

3146
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:05,199
to go ahead and make their own

3147
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:07,520
conclusions at the end of the book

3148
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:09,199
okay at least they'll have the facts to

3149
02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:11,040
look at and not

3150
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:12,639
you know people trying to make a dime

3151
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:14,320
off of off

3152
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:16,960
uh you know the incident my hardships

3153
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:17,440
okay

3154
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:20,880
so right and there is uh

3155
02:04:24,069 --> 02:04:23,280
i wanted to ask you this i've never uh

3156
02:04:27,109 --> 02:04:24,079
had a chance

3157
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:27,119
to uh ask about this

3158
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:29,599
i think it was about a year ago uh

3159
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:31,360
without naming names we're not

3160
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:32,400
we don't have to go there yeah that

3161
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:34,960
sounds better yeah yeah about a year ago

3162
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:38,159
there were in the mainstream media

3163
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:40,880
uh a couple of uh stories that came out

3164
02:04:44,629 --> 02:04:41,599
that this

3165
02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:44,639
was uh the brits

3166
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:47,599
playing a practical joke that they had

3167
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:49,360
they had a bone to pick with the united

3168
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:50,639
states air force

3169
02:04:54,870 --> 02:04:53,520
and they were going to get even uh with

3170
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:54,880
you guys

3171
02:04:58,790 --> 02:04:57,760
with a ufo prank now i know that you

3172
02:05:00,870 --> 02:04:58,800
read this

3173
02:05:02,310 --> 02:05:00,880
and and you saw it when it came out

3174
02:05:05,350 --> 02:05:02,320
what's your reaction

3175
02:05:07,270 --> 02:05:05,360
to that is that just um

3176
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:07,280
complete fabrication is this part of

3177
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:08,719
another cover-up

3178
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:11,199
is this you know what what's your

3179
02:05:15,510 --> 02:05:12,880
reaction to that

3180
02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:15,520
well it's not it's not fabrication i

3181
02:05:19,189 --> 02:05:16,159
mean

3182
02:05:22,629 --> 02:05:19,199
what they're saying is almost true

3183
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:22,639
okay uh you as

3184
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:24,239
everybody knows the incident happened on

3185
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:26,320
december 26 1980.

3186
02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:28,480
all right the sas were never involved in

3187
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:29,520
testing

3188
02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:33,440
at bentwaters and woodbridge until

3189
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:35,440
and i was working at the ncoac of

3190
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:38,480
security police plans and programs

3191
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:42,159
but in the summer of 82

3192
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:44,880
there was an exercise called jade that

3193
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:45,679
stands for

3194
02:05:52,069 --> 02:05:48,800
joint angle american defense exercise

3195
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:52,079
which involved at our request a six-man

3196
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:52,719
sas

3197
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:55,599
team uh and it took place in june of

3198
02:06:01,189 --> 02:05:58,239
night oh excuse me 1983.

3199
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:01,199
uh adding that this exercise seems to be

3200
02:06:05,910 --> 02:06:03,679
the one they used in the story

3201
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:05,920
uh also there was no parachute that took

3202
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:06,880
place

3203
02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:10,400
and uh apparently exercise was a

3204
02:06:14,229 --> 02:06:11,199
brainchild

3205
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:14,239
bush

3206
02:06:17,830 --> 02:06:16,159
the commander of the security police at

3207
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:17,840
the time and uh

3208
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:21,040
mass sergeant r t johnson who was tdui

3209
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:22,880
there from raf elkenberry

3210
02:06:26,229 --> 02:06:25,520
although the sas team was involved the

3211
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:26,239
ex

3212
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:30,480
territorial army and i'm going to tell

3213
02:06:33,430 --> 02:06:31,119
you what

3214
02:06:34,149 --> 02:06:33,440
we did capture them they did not succeed

3215
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:34,159
they were

3216
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:36,159
aggressors and we put them in this in

3217
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:37,920
this cage

3218
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:46,069
uh like we we messed with their heads uh

3219
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,520
and uh like this over this cage uh

3220
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:51,360
one of the things they did that we

3221
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:52,800
threatened that the guys threatened they

3222
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:54,239
were gonna pee on them and stuff like

3223
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:54,560
that

3224
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:56,639
urinate on them right and what they did

3225
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:58,079
is take you know had warm water

3226
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:59,920
and they support it you know and these

3227
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:01,599
guys they were pissed

3228
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:04,719
let me tell you what so that part

3229
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:07,119
is true and they could have came back

3230
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,320
you know in

3231
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:11,119
uh december 1983 and done some i don't

3232
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:11,679
know

3233
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:13,199
but it had nothing to do with rentals

3234
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:15,040
for forest right

3235
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:17,520
but as it shows you this how the arundel

3236
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:18,159
should make

3237
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:21,679
enigma addresses these issues and uh

3238
02:07:28,390 --> 02:07:25,360
you know what the truth really is now

3239
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,400
what about okay let me ask you this i

3240
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,400
know it's late in the evening

3241
02:07:34,149 --> 02:07:33,119
for you where you are can i get you to

3242
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:34,159
hang on for

3243
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:36,079
one more segment after this break

3244
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:37,920
another 20 minutes

3245
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:40,159
yeah no problem oh i'm just surprised we

3246
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:42,239
haven't lost contact with this major

3247
02:07:45,589 --> 02:07:43,679
storm outside

3248
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:45,599
in northern illinois right now it's like

3249
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:47,040
thunder and lightning

3250
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:49,199
oh yeah yeah i know how it gets out

3251
02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:51,199
there see we're here in california where

3252
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:52,239
it never rains

3253
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:54,880
right it's the same thing right it's the

3254
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:56,079
same thing every day

3255
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:59,599
so um uh is

3256
02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:01,440
we know about the first night we know

3257
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:02,800
about the third night

3258
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:05,440
well documented lots of witnesses but

3259
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:06,159
now

3260
02:08:09,510 --> 02:08:08,960
uh so much has come to light about the

3261
02:08:12,069 --> 02:08:09,520
second

3262
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:12,079
night and i know that you weren't there

3263
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:14,000
for any of it but what do you make of

3264
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:15,520
that do you think there

3265
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:17,440
there were things going down in the

3266
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:19,520
middle

3267
02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:23,040
no no there was nothing good i don't

3268
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:23,679
know what

3269
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:25,040
the second night about i don't know why

3270
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:27,599
they say that uh

3271
02:08:31,030 --> 02:08:29,520
uh i tell you with my position at the

3272
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:31,040
base because i immediately took that

3273
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:32,239
ncoic

3274
02:08:36,390 --> 02:08:35,199
of security police plans and programs a

3275
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:36,400
month later

3276
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:38,239
i i don't know if they wanted to watch

3277
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:39,920
me or what i wasn't qualified for the

3278
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:41,920
job but anyway i took that job over

3279
02:08:45,030 --> 02:08:43,360
but i was in charge of writing all the

3280
02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:45,040
fence plans i knew everything was going

3281
02:08:49,589 --> 02:08:46,079
on at that base

3282
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:49,599
okay and that

3283
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:52,079
didn't happen okay so no nothing on the

3284
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:53,040
second night

3285
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:54,800
and no and then you're gonna have hall

3286
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:56,320
to agree to that and

3287
02:08:59,830 --> 02:08:58,000
and anybody else is gonna know colonel

3288
02:09:03,589 --> 02:08:59,840
connor will agree to that

3289
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:03,599
and the one last question i want to ask

3290
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:04,000
you about

3291
02:09:10,629 --> 02:09:07,040
kit green really quick um

3292
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:10,639
kits it doesn't matter

3293
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:12,400
jim who i have on this show when i'm

3294
02:09:17,270 --> 02:09:13,760
talking about ufos

3295
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:17,280
i swear it does not matter kid's name

3296
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:18,320
comes up in

3297
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:21,920
every conversation right he

3298
02:09:27,990 --> 02:09:25,679
seems to be whatever we're talking about

3299
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:28,000
it doesn't matter what you know whether

3300
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:29,119
it's uh

3301
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:32,400
you know tic tacs or skin skinwalker or

3302
02:09:38,390 --> 02:09:36,560
or rendelshim uh the standard research

3303
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:38,400
institute remote viewing

3304
02:09:45,910 --> 02:09:41,599
the cia the air force kit green

3305
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,920
is everywhere all the time

3306
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,599
what do you what do you make of that

3307
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:49,599
because you you've you've been around

3308
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:51,280
kid

3309
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:55,199
well he's a he was a cia analyst in 1969

3310
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:56,800
along with the rscsri

3311
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:58,960
group i mean maybe still works for him i

3312
02:10:03,510 --> 02:10:00,079
don't know

3313
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:03,520
i all i know is he was he tried to he

3314
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:05,360
tried to snow me at my two-day meeting

3315
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:07,440
we had the rockford colloquium that's a

3316
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:08,239
chapter in the

3317
02:10:13,350 --> 02:10:11,679
renaissance and along with my attorney

3318
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:13,360
was there i made sure my attorney was

3319
02:10:17,990 --> 02:10:14,000
there

3320
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:18,000
but this guy uh you know he uh

3321
02:10:22,310 --> 02:10:21,040
uh he has an agenda but it's not

3322
02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:22,320
i don't know i don't think it's for the

3323
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:24,159
truth i i talked

3324
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:26,560
a little bit about to jack safari about

3325
02:10:30,229 --> 02:10:28,000
it because they all work together during

3326
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:30,239
that 69 time frame

3327
02:10:37,030 --> 02:10:33,679
and he has his own opinions about

3328
02:10:39,430 --> 02:10:37,040
kit and hell put off and

3329
02:10:40,709 --> 02:10:39,440
that and i think it'd be really good for

3330
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:40,719
your uh

3331
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:44,560
audience to get uh uh uh jack on

3332
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:46,480
and talk to him i would love to talk to

3333
02:10:51,750 --> 02:10:48,000
jack

3334
02:10:54,950 --> 02:10:51,760
the guy is brilliant uh yeah uh

3335
02:10:56,709 --> 02:10:54,960
uh he's brilliant yeah

3336
02:10:59,189 --> 02:10:56,719
yeah i would like to talk to jack it's

3337
02:11:02,470 --> 02:10:59,199
just it it seems

3338
02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:02,480
uh that you know all of the

3339
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:04,960
the the big the major the the the events

3340
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,000
that have caused

3341
02:11:10,629 --> 02:11:09,119
ripples uh throughout the media and and

3342
02:11:14,629 --> 02:11:10,639
this community

3343
02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:14,639
uh the kid's name comes up all the time

3344
02:11:19,109 --> 02:11:17,520
and it's just i don't know right i don't

3345
02:11:19,510 --> 02:11:19,119
know i'm trying to connect the dots here

3346
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:19,520
jim

3347
02:11:22,790 --> 02:11:21,199
let's take a look let's take he's gonna

3348
02:11:25,750 --> 02:11:22,800
he's got an agenda it's

3349
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:25,760
not it's not my agenda i can assure you

3350
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:27,520
he's listening right now too let's take

3351
02:11:30,629 --> 02:11:28,320
a break

3352
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:30,639
this is fade to black our guest tonight

3353
02:11:33,350 --> 02:11:31,840
jim peniston

3354
02:11:35,109 --> 02:11:33,360
and you knew we were going to do this

3355
02:11:36,709 --> 02:11:35,119
we're going to go straight into overtime

3356
02:11:38,950 --> 02:11:36,719
i've got a lot more to talk about and

3357
02:11:41,189 --> 02:11:38,960
we'll get it all in jim penniston

3358
02:11:42,870 --> 02:11:41,199
fade to black i'm murals jimmy church

3359
02:11:44,950 --> 02:11:42,880
stay with us we'll be right back

3360
02:11:46,629 --> 02:11:44,960
after this short break once again the

3361
02:11:49,229 --> 02:11:46,639
rendel shim enigma

3362
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:49,239
the links for the book are over at

3363
02:12:06,229 --> 02:11:51,360
jimmychurchradio.com stay with us

3364
02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:06,239
we'll be right back

3365
02:12:10,149 --> 02:12:08,320
back fade to black i am your host jimmy

3366
02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:10,159
church our guest tonight jim pennison

3367
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:11,840
going into overtime

3368
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:15,119
so excited hey there's just no way this

3369
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:18,000
conversation was ended before the break

3370
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:21,119
uh and thank you for that jim now okay

3371
02:12:24,870 --> 02:12:23,199
now let's let's have a little bit of fun

3372
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:24,880
let's let's get outside of the box a

3373
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:26,079
little bit

3374
02:12:30,790 --> 02:12:28,560
thanks yeah which is this let's talk

3375
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:30,800
black triangles because

3376
02:12:35,589 --> 02:12:33,199
back when you did your original sketches

3377
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:35,599
and everything that you had witnessed

3378
02:12:39,430 --> 02:12:37,920
uh and which continued through to this

3379
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:39,440
day i've seen

3380
02:12:42,790 --> 02:12:41,040
black triangles i got a really cool

3381
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:42,800
picture of one that i took

3382
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:45,840
um is this

3383
02:12:49,750 --> 02:12:47,599
you know obviously when you hear these

3384
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:49,760
reports and and people talking about

3385
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:50,960
this

3386
02:12:56,470 --> 02:12:55,440
going on and certainly you know belgium

3387
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:56,480
and what was

3388
02:13:01,910 --> 02:12:59,599
was what was happening in in europe uh

3389
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:01,920
around that time too as well uh what do

3390
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:03,360
you make of all of that

3391
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:05,599
well i i tell you when i did the uh

3392
02:13:08,950 --> 02:13:07,760
national press club in 2007 i got to

3393
02:13:12,709 --> 02:13:08,960
spend a week with

3394
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:12,719
general debaur uh from belgium

3395
02:13:17,669 --> 02:13:16,000
oh brilliant yeah great guy yeah great

3396
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:17,679
officer yeah and i'll tell you what you

3397
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:19,119
know what i mean it goes back to

3398
02:13:22,870 --> 02:13:20,880
you get to look at the guy in the eye

3399
02:13:25,910 --> 02:13:22,880
right right oh yeah oh yeah this

3400
02:13:29,910 --> 02:13:25,920
uh they were perplexed

3401
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:29,920
you know and uh they that is a uh

3402
02:13:34,390 --> 02:13:33,679
one of the genuine uh uh uh ones i know

3403
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:34,400
for sure

3404
02:13:39,669 --> 02:13:37,679
another one and i i you can thank uh uh

3405
02:13:41,669 --> 02:13:39,679
james fox for putting all this together

3406
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:41,679
he did a good job

3407
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:45,280
and uh the other one is uh general jafa

3408
02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:48,480
jafari uh the iranian uh

3409
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:50,960
officer and the uh where he actually

3410
02:13:55,830 --> 02:13:52,480
fired upon

3411
02:13:57,430 --> 02:13:55,840
a ufo yes yeah

3412
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:57,440
and that one there's backed up by you

3413
02:14:00,950 --> 02:14:00,079
know everything from cia documents or

3414
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:00,960
whatever

3415
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:03,679
and uh but uh you know i sat across them

3416
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:04,719
having breakfast and

3417
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:07,199
general safari uh you know i'm looking

3418
02:14:11,589 --> 02:14:08,560
at an eye and what he's telling is the

3419
02:14:14,149 --> 02:14:11,599
truth i mean these guys are not lying

3420
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:14,159
i mean and they're but they're they have

3421
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:15,119
that look

3422
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:18,560
that even travis walton as you said have

3423
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:22,320
that look of uh uh

3424
02:14:29,589 --> 02:14:25,440
being sincere yeah yeah

3425
02:14:32,709 --> 02:14:29,599
and and and also not knowing i mean

3426
02:14:35,109 --> 02:14:32,719
knowing for sure absolutely

3427
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:35,119
that we're not all you know we're we're

3428
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:36,079
being visited

3429
02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:40,480
we're not alone i mean that's uh it's

3430
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:43,440
it's uh it's mind-blowing so do you

3431
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:43,840
think

3432
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:47,360
that have been seen

3433
02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:48,960
you know all around the world across the

3434
02:14:53,430 --> 02:14:51,040
united states across europe

3435
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:53,440
and you saw one fly away in the woods

3436
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:54,079
that night

3437
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:56,639
in rendelsham forest yeah could this be

3438
02:15:01,350 --> 02:14:58,800
the same object

3439
02:15:03,189 --> 02:15:01,360
i i think i think there's they're from

3440
02:15:06,229 --> 02:15:03,199
the same class of uh you know

3441
02:15:09,430 --> 02:15:06,239
ships and stuff yes uh i believe that

3442
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:09,440
and uh i think i think it's the evidence

3443
02:15:13,189 --> 02:15:11,040
is actually overwhelming

3444
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:13,199
and uh there there are some stateside

3445
02:15:15,990 --> 02:15:14,800
ones you know you said that you've seen

3446
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:16,000
some yourself

3447
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:18,960
uh the ones that really fascinate me and

3448
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:19,199
i

3449
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:23,040
large ones

3450
02:15:26,470 --> 02:15:24,960
uh you know the large triangle we have

3451
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:26,480
one of them years ago over here in

3452
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:27,599
illinois

3453
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:30,000
i mean all good witnesses you know

3454
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:32,800
police officers and everything else and

3455
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:35,040
uh you know there's a lot of good ones

3456
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:36,639
uh that uh

3457
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,159
uh just stand out i mean uh uh

3458
02:15:44,790 --> 02:15:42,960
so if i think let's put it this way i

3459
02:15:46,709 --> 02:15:44,800
think that if you see a black triangular

3460
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:46,719
craft you're probably seeing

3461
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:50,400
uh uh something that's not uh

3462
02:15:57,589 --> 02:15:54,320
from this time and place okay

3463
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:57,599
the uh the last couple of years

3464
02:16:02,149 --> 02:16:00,400
as things started to heat up you know

3465
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:02,159
going back to of course

3466
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:04,639
december of uh 2017 with the new york

3467
02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:05,360
times

3468
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:08,320
and not to kick a dead horse here uh on

3469
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:09,119
that

3470
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:16,800
is talking ufos uh for the first time

3471
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,880
in a very serious manner in the mass

3472
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:21,040
media has been covering it

3473
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,960
as you have been watching all of this

3474
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:24,639
unfold uh

3475
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,280
with with your history with this subject

3476
02:16:31,109 --> 02:16:29,199
whatever it may be

3477
02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:31,119
but do you think that we're moving

3478
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:32,639
forward to

3479
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:35,679
some type of reveal

3480
02:16:41,349 --> 02:16:39,200
uh uh not intentionally uh

3481
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:41,359
i think uh what the what they're looking

3482
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:43,599
for is power and control

3483
02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:45,280
i'm talking about the government power

3484
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:47,519
and control it's all the technology is

3485
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:49,679
power and control can you imagine

3486
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:53,120
if you had the technology to

3487
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:00,870
no i can't well i mean what could you do

3488
02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:02,960
what kind of power would that to create

3489
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,319
other another this is

3490
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:06,080
all theory of course you create another

3491
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:08,080
timeline sure sure

3492
02:17:11,190 --> 02:17:09,519
uh you know or something like that you'd

3493
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:11,200
be a pretty pretty powerful and that's

3494
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:12,479
why these people are looking at

3495
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:14,000
and that's the stuff i got from going

3496
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:15,599
back to kit green uh

3497
02:17:19,429 --> 02:17:17,840
at the rockford collection uh that we

3498
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:19,439
had the two-day meeting

3499
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:22,960
uh uh what did he what he said so he

3500
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:24,319
said what do you want to look at you

3501
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:25,040
know the

3502
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:28,880
you know what's left

3503
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:30,399
what do you want to look at my brain for

3504
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:32,399
you know i was like god

3505
02:17:36,389 --> 02:17:34,960
and uh he says well he says it's a

3506
02:17:40,950 --> 02:17:36,399
signature we're looking for

3507
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:40,960
he says hopefully a way to reverse three

3508
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:44,080
uh uh reverse and and

3509
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:47,519
and find out exactly where and when they

3510
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:48,399
came from

3511
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:50,719
that's what he's talking about so i was

3512
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,519
like oh

3513
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:53,519
he says the propulsion originally that's

3514
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:55,439
what he said i said propulsion he says

3515
02:18:00,950 --> 02:17:56,639
well

3516
02:18:04,469 --> 02:18:00,960
really want to look at that signature

3517
02:18:06,790 --> 02:18:04,479
and he you know uh

3518
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:06,800
uh everything he was saying uh it would

3519
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:08,160
actually sort of creep me out a little

3520
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:09,599
bit okay

3521
02:18:13,349 --> 02:18:11,359
and i you know i'm with my attorney and

3522
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:13,359
i you know that night we're having

3523
02:18:17,349 --> 02:18:16,160
after the first meeting i says to pat oh

3524
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:17,359
he's packed for scrolling here by the

3525
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:17,760
way

3526
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:20,719
that was the attorney and i said man

3527
02:18:24,629 --> 02:18:21,280
this is

3528
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:24,639
got another day

3529
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:26,479
with him yeah that's what it was another

3530
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:27,679
day and he

3531
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:30,880
he it was very insightful but you know

3532
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:34,000
what what was his purpose personally i

3533
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:34,639
still

3534
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:38,880
because

3535
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:40,960
it was pretty creepy stuff he's talking

3536
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:41,920
about well

3537
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:44,719
once you're in the corporation right

3538
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:45,760
yeah

3539
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:49,200
think you ever really do

3540
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:53,040
um and you mentioned earlier

3541
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:56,160
uh uh tic-tac

3542
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:00,080
and look we've all seen the videos

3543
02:19:05,190 --> 02:19:03,439
we've heard uh all of the what i think

3544
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:05,200
is very compelling and excellent

3545
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:06,399
testimony

3546
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:09,679
from the pilots i'm not sure that what i

3547
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:10,800
see in the videos

3548
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:13,280
is anything e.t that's me personally my

3549
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:14,880
opinion doesn't matter

3550
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:17,599
their testimony is what is compelling

3551
02:19:22,469 --> 02:19:19,040
here

3552
02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:22,479
but you mentioned tic tacs do you think

3553
02:19:27,429 --> 02:19:23,840
that

3554
02:19:28,070 --> 02:19:27,439
these two things uh could possibly be

3555
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:28,080
related

3556
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:31,439
one and two that that may

3557
02:19:45,349 --> 02:19:41,589
uh i believe it is a possibility okay

3558
02:19:47,910 --> 02:19:45,359
i know that we have a

3559
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:47,920
drone aircraft out of the skunk works by

3560
02:19:54,510 --> 02:19:50,479
sources i'm not going to name

3561
02:19:59,670 --> 02:19:57,750
characteristics of that tic tac okay

3562
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:59,680
they can actually do it unmanned and it

3563
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:01,600
was a training area at the time

3564
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:03,920
okay all that stuff i mean they weren't

3565
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:06,160
armed i mean you know all this stuff

3566
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,920
plays into it but uh i tell you what to

3567
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:11,840
be able to make a you know 90 degree

3568
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:12,800
turn

3569
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:15,200
and to be able to go you know 20 times

3570
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:16,319
the speed of

3571
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:19,359
sound i mean uh

3572
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:22,000
i i'm that sounds way beyond our

3573
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:23,920
technology you know uh

3574
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:27,200
when i talked to the thought or when i

3575
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,800
read the thoughts on that was from jack

3576
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:30,319
safari on it

3577
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:37,190
they're time drivers

3578
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:39,600
and uh he's got a lot more education i

3579
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:40,560
do and

3580
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:42,160
he's done a lot more research than i

3581
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:44,240
have and uh

3582
02:20:50,790 --> 02:20:47,359
i i tend to believe what he's saying now

3583
02:20:53,750 --> 02:20:50,800
why uh why do you think they okay

3584
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:53,760
uh two questions one why do you think

3585
02:20:56,550 --> 02:20:54,160
they

3586
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:56,560
were here you know from the future and

3587
02:21:01,750 --> 02:20:58,560
i'm totally cool with that

3588
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:01,760
but the second part of this is why

3589
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:04,080
you and i know you've thought about this

3590
02:21:07,990 --> 02:21:05,200
a lot but

3591
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:08,000
but why were they here and why you

3592
02:21:12,070 --> 02:21:09,040
because

3593
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:12,080
uh uh jim just to be straight

3594
02:21:17,590 --> 02:21:15,520
out if they're time traveling then

3595
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,600
they know where they're going to they're

3596
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:19,280
going to reynolds force

3597
02:21:25,750 --> 02:21:22,319
they also know who's on the ba they they

3598
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:25,760
know the incident they know all of

3599
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:28,800
this in advance which would say

3600
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,920
they you know that you were the guy

3601
02:21:37,030 --> 02:21:33,920
jimmy i was gonna stick to nothing but

3602
02:21:39,750 --> 02:21:37,040
the facts during this interview

3603
02:21:41,510 --> 02:21:39,760
man i know right no you're going to get

3604
02:21:43,110 --> 02:21:41,520
me into what ifs and what i'm thinking

3605
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:43,120
you know what if possibilities

3606
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:46,160
and and how this came about right i mean

3607
02:21:49,670 --> 02:21:48,080
i got a lot of what ifs yeah i mean but

3608
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:49,680
there's not this is not facts this is

3609
02:21:53,910 --> 02:21:50,720
just

3610
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:53,920
my thoughts my my my theories on it i

3611
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:55,520
mean

3612
02:21:58,790 --> 02:21:58,000
trying to put the dots together they

3613
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:58,800
don't always

3614
02:22:03,270 --> 02:22:01,280
come out right i mean but the only thing

3615
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:03,280
i could come up with uh

3616
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:04,720
and i mean it's just it sounds like a

3617
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:07,200
bizarre thought but uh

3618
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:10,000
yeah the they come back and they they

3619
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:10,880
tweak

3620
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:14,240
when everything's happening

3621
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:18,319
what happens if 8 000 years from now

3622
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:21,680
uh the the only one of the surviving

3623
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:22,000
things

3624
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:25,120
they find eight thousand years from now

3625
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:27,680
is a copy of the renaissance book one

3626
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:29,280
cop

3627
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:31,600
a tape of uh fade to black with jim

3628
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:32,399
panning

3629
02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:33,920
or that you know right right all the

3630
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:36,080
great grig coordinates in it the time

3631
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:38,240
the exact time at three minutes after

3632
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:39,680
midnight the whole works

3633
02:22:43,830 --> 02:22:43,120
it's all in there i mean i know i don't

3634
02:22:46,230 --> 02:22:43,840
know

3635
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:46,240
i can do what is all day with this and

3636
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:47,520
what they do is just

3637
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:50,160
mind screw myself i do i just can't

3638
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:51,120
handle

3639
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:52,880
i mean because there's all kinds of

3640
02:22:58,150 --> 02:22:54,960
possibilities when you start looking at

3641
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:58,160
i mean uh during the hypnosis session if

3642
02:23:02,389 --> 02:22:59,200
you want to take anything

3643
02:23:05,110 --> 02:23:02,399
i took that with a grain of salt too

3644
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:05,120
that i had uh they said that you know

3645
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:06,560
there was trouble they trying to they're

3646
02:23:08,790 --> 02:23:07,680
trying to make things better for

3647
02:23:10,389 --> 02:23:08,800
themselves

3648
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:10,399
you know by tweaking different things

3649
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:12,960
and and that and i used to look at the

3650
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:13,600
reynoldson

3651
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:16,479
i mean from for years until i started

3652
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:18,479
doing my own therapy or writing books

3653
02:23:21,750 --> 02:23:20,399
and stuff like that

3654
02:23:24,469 --> 02:23:21,760
i used to look at it as a curse

3655
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:24,479
especially with the nightmares and stuff

3656
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:28,080
and uh i've accepted the fact

3657
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:30,399
that maybe it wasn't a curse maybe it

3658
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:31,359
was a gift

3659
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:34,319
it was christmas time i mean come on it

3660
02:23:38,230 --> 02:23:35,359
was a gift

3661
02:23:39,830 --> 02:23:38,240
you have to look at it that way and and

3662
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:39,840
think about everybody that's on this

3663
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:41,680
planet right now and how many can have

3664
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:44,080
this conversation that we're having now

3665
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:47,040
you can count them on one hand jimmy who

3666
02:23:52,790 --> 02:23:49,200
would have handled reynolds

3667
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:52,800
contact night landing and take off like

3668
02:23:57,190 --> 02:23:56,319
me well you know you know check this out

3669
02:24:00,070 --> 02:23:57,200
when uh

3670
02:24:00,630 --> 02:24:00,080
when you and i bumped into each other uh

3671
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:00,640
uh

3672
02:24:06,230 --> 02:24:03,920
at the same time you know

3673
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:06,240
and what were the odds right you know

3674
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:07,280
and and you walked by

3675
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:08,960
we're sitting there with travis walton

3676
02:24:11,910 --> 02:24:10,960
you remember we were sitting there with

3677
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:11,920
travis

3678
02:24:18,469 --> 02:24:15,359
and and you smiled and and and things

3679
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:18,479
but i i can't help and i think about

3680
02:24:25,030 --> 02:24:21,760
burrows and going back to travis that i

3681
02:24:28,309 --> 02:24:25,040
don't know how i could have handled

3682
02:24:31,349 --> 02:24:28,319
these experiences i i i just don't know

3683
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:31,359
i don't know but you're able to uh come

3684
02:24:34,950 --> 02:24:31,920
here

3685
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:34,960
with with such clarity and transparency

3686
02:24:39,270 --> 02:24:37,920
and discuss it today uh we we have to

3687
02:24:42,150 --> 02:24:39,280
thank you for that

3688
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:42,160
but the other part yeah i don't know i

3689
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:43,040
don't know how

3690
02:24:50,710 --> 02:24:49,120
get through this i really don't know i

3691
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:50,720
you know every time i do an interview or

3692
02:24:55,270 --> 02:24:51,920
anytime i do a

3693
02:24:57,910 --> 02:24:55,280
conference i i just dread it

3694
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:57,920
i dread tonight i dreaded this because i

3695
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:59,359
had to talk about it

3696
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:01,200
but once i get on you can't shut me up

3697
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:02,960
you know i mean i don't understand it's

3698
02:25:05,670 --> 02:25:04,319
like okay

3699
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:05,680
uh you know i said they're gonna be

3700
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:08,240
triggers there's gonna be this

3701
02:25:15,190 --> 02:25:11,680
well yeah i i i wanted to ask you

3702
02:25:19,190 --> 02:25:15,200
really quick have you uh

3703
02:25:21,270 --> 02:25:19,200
have you had any interference from

3704
02:25:23,270 --> 02:25:21,280
uh other parties i'm talking about you

3705
02:25:26,389 --> 02:25:23,280
know three letter agencies or

3706
02:25:28,389 --> 02:25:26,399
or anything out there uh

3707
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:28,399
you know in the background and and

3708
02:25:31,830 --> 02:25:30,560
creeping over the years or have they

3709
02:25:33,429 --> 02:25:31,840
left you alone

3710
02:25:35,349 --> 02:25:33,439
no they haven't left me alone i tell you

3711
02:25:39,030 --> 02:25:35,359
what i have that in the book too

3712
02:25:40,950 --> 02:25:39,040
uh we are even into getting the house

3713
02:25:41,750 --> 02:25:40,960
bugged at grissom air force base after

3714
02:25:43,270 --> 02:25:41,760
the incident

3715
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:43,280
i mean i got all kinds of stuff that's

3716
02:25:50,630 --> 02:25:45,600
in the book uh

3717
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:53,670
right after writing you know the the

3718
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:55,840
the encounter book uh you know you know

3719
02:25:59,830 --> 02:25:56,800
my encounter with

3720
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:59,840
ex cia analysts and stuff like that i

3721
02:26:03,349 --> 02:26:00,479
mean

3722
02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:03,359
they're still there uh you know uh

3723
02:26:07,270 --> 02:26:04,720
anybody can monitor

3724
02:26:08,950 --> 02:26:07,280
without with an iphone you know anybody

3725
02:26:09,590 --> 02:26:08,960
can monitor if they had the technology

3726
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:09,600
you know

3727
02:26:12,870 --> 02:26:12,160
it's easy easy to do grissom air force

3728
02:26:16,469 --> 02:26:12,880
base

3729
02:26:19,670 --> 02:26:16,479
everybody is in indiana and uh

3730
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,680
a huge uh air force base by the way it's

3731
02:26:23,190 --> 02:26:21,680
not it's not small grissom is

3732
02:26:24,710 --> 02:26:23,200
is a big base how long were you

3733
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:24,720
stationed at grissom

3734
02:26:28,469 --> 02:26:26,720
oh i think about a year year and a half

3735
02:26:30,870 --> 02:26:28,479
that was it that was my last

3736
02:26:32,830 --> 02:26:30,880
assignment you know close to home one of

3737
02:26:34,790 --> 02:26:32,840
the things that really bothers me about

3738
02:26:37,830 --> 02:26:34,800
reynoldshim with the witnesses

3739
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:37,840
all of them why is it i'm the only one

3740
02:26:43,030 --> 02:26:38,640
to have

3741
02:26:43,510 --> 02:26:43,040
ptsd from it why am i the only one that

3742
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:43,520
has

3743
02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:48,000
the other ones have it

3744
02:26:51,910 --> 02:26:50,880
i'm not wishing bad luck on but i'm like

3745
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:51,920
god how can you

3746
02:26:58,630 --> 02:26:55,359
not be traumatized by this event

3747
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:58,640
adrian bustenza he he was

3748
02:27:02,070 --> 02:27:00,399
he wasn't traumatized i don't know i'm

3749
02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:02,080
asking you

3750
02:27:05,429 --> 02:27:04,960
uh adrian's uh also helped with the book

3751
02:27:08,950 --> 02:27:05,439
uh

3752
02:27:10,550 --> 02:27:08,960
of course he he it's not warren's favor

3753
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:10,560
either let me tell you

3754
02:27:16,790 --> 02:27:13,840
uh and uh uh

3755
02:27:18,790 --> 02:27:16,800
but none of those guys were uh the night

3756
02:27:19,349 --> 02:27:18,800
with hall according to mineral devils

3757
02:27:21,590 --> 02:27:19,359
and

3758
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:21,600
hall himself none of them got out in

3759
02:27:25,110 --> 02:27:22,800
front of halt or

3760
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:25,120
uh devils i mean they were all back at

3761
02:27:30,150 --> 02:27:28,160
the staging area which is 100 yards away

3762
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:30,160
or with the group of the three or four

3763
02:27:34,870 --> 02:27:32,160
other guys that were about you know 25

3764
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:34,880
30 yards behind them the only people

3765
02:27:38,870 --> 02:27:36,960
according to those guys uh hauled in

3766
02:27:39,990 --> 02:27:38,880
neville's is them they were the only

3767
02:27:44,150 --> 02:27:40,000
ones out in the

3768
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:44,160
farmer's field so um

3769
02:27:47,429 --> 02:27:46,080
i don't know what bustenz's uh

3770
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:47,439
involvement was on it

3771
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:51,200
i i questioned it because uh

3772
02:27:55,510 --> 02:27:53,200
i questioned it because why would he be

3773
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:55,520
quiet for all these years and let warren

3774
02:28:02,309 --> 02:27:59,040
run with his story uh you know and then

3775
02:28:05,270 --> 02:28:02,319
when i got his uh

3776
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:05,280
writing for adding in the book uh he

3777
02:28:09,110 --> 02:28:06,720
says no i met uh

3778
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:09,120
when i got off work i seen uh warren in

3779
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:10,319
the barracks and

3780
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:13,040
i told him all about it and then the

3781
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:15,760
other thing is warren's roommate

3782
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:19,280
um okay it wasn't warren's roommate i

3783
02:28:24,150 --> 02:28:20,960
tell you oh kabanzak

3784
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:24,160
uh roommate was uh another guy that

3785
02:28:30,070 --> 02:28:26,080
worked flight two

3786
02:28:31,190 --> 02:28:30,080
and uh i know that maybe cabanzac is

3787
02:28:32,790 --> 02:28:31,200
traumatized he don't want to talk to

3788
02:28:35,990 --> 02:28:32,800
anybody about it

3789
02:28:37,670 --> 02:28:36,000
yeah yeah yeah

3790
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:37,680
i try to get ahold of him he don't want

3791
02:28:40,870 --> 02:28:39,680
to talk either no i can understand he

3792
02:28:42,790 --> 02:28:40,880
didn't want to talk that night

3793
02:28:44,230 --> 02:28:42,800
he was like no no no is this god you

3794
02:28:46,309 --> 02:28:44,240
come with me no no

3795
02:28:48,230 --> 02:28:46,319
no he says i ain't going with you well

3796
02:28:49,190 --> 02:28:48,240
all of these guys are watching and

3797
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:49,200
listening to

3798
02:28:52,230 --> 02:28:51,040
everything that is going down around

3799
02:28:55,030 --> 02:28:52,240
rental shim and

3800
02:28:55,349 --> 02:28:55,040
i could see why they wouldn't want to uh

3801
02:28:59,590 --> 02:28:55,359
uh

3802
02:29:03,429 --> 02:28:59,600
i let you go

3803
02:29:06,830 --> 02:29:03,439
okay all of the debunking

3804
02:29:08,550 --> 02:29:06,840
that has gone on with that bleeping

3805
02:29:11,510 --> 02:29:08,560
lighthouse okay

3806
02:29:12,870 --> 02:29:11,520
now let's talk about that for a second

3807
02:29:15,590 --> 02:29:12,880
you're laughing i think it's

3808
02:29:17,190 --> 02:29:15,600
actually quite funny too but uh the

3809
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:17,200
lighthouse is there

3810
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:21,040
uh the bases are there you guys

3811
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:22,880
absolutely because you mentioned this

3812
02:29:25,990 --> 02:29:24,880
earlier uh you said to john oh that's

3813
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:26,000
the lighthouse

3814
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:32,560
right when when the debunking part came

3815
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,280
out

3816
02:29:36,550 --> 02:29:35,120
and some of it was pretty convincing the

3817
02:29:38,389 --> 02:29:36,560
timing of the hall

3818
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:38,399
tape when they said they were seeing the

3819
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:39,680
lights yeah it was

3820
02:29:43,110 --> 02:29:41,920
brilliant wasn't it yeah okay all right

3821
02:29:46,070 --> 02:29:43,120
all right you know i

3822
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:46,080
it got me there for a few minutes and we

3823
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:47,520
have to listen to everything

3824
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:50,880
uh but what what's your position

3825
02:29:54,550 --> 02:29:53,200
on all of that you knew the lighthouse

3826
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:54,560
was there right

3827
02:29:58,950 --> 02:29:57,040
everybody did yeah i know it was there

3828
02:30:02,070 --> 02:29:58,960
and plus you know i uh

3829
02:30:04,150 --> 02:30:02,080
not with the military but i also was a

3830
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:04,160
parachute at the parachuting club at the

3831
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:05,200
airport and i know

3832
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:08,240
exactly where it was at uh i mean no

3833
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:11,280
it's it wasn't besides i got a picture i

3834
02:30:14,950 --> 02:30:12,640
should send it to you i took

3835
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:14,960
the last time i was at reynolds of the

3836
02:30:19,910 --> 02:30:17,120
lighthouse from the place that

3837
02:30:20,469 --> 02:30:19,920
uh john and i were uh out there in the

3838
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:20,479
middle of

3839
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:23,200
past the farm houses that took a picture

3840
02:30:26,710 --> 02:30:24,880
and it shows whether it's so

3841
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:26,720
dim it's so little it just literally

3842
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:28,080
once while you get a little beep every

3843
02:30:31,510 --> 02:30:29,200
few seconds

3844
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:31,520
and i mean there's no way anybody with a

3845
02:30:34,389 --> 02:30:32,399
brain

3846
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:34,399
could could mix that up i mean it's

3847
02:30:39,349 --> 02:30:35,840
impossible

3848
02:30:42,469 --> 02:30:39,359
uh besides it's not that bright

3849
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:42,479
where do we go from here

3850
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:44,479
where do we go yeah what's the next step

3851
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:46,720
okay now the remington [\h__\h]

3852
02:30:51,349 --> 02:30:49,200
book is book one it is the definitive

3853
02:30:52,950 --> 02:30:51,359
book no there's not another book talking

3854
02:30:54,630 --> 02:30:52,960
about the incident no that's not

3855
02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:54,640
happening this book is it

3856
02:30:58,950 --> 02:30:57,359
but there's going to be a book too and

3857
02:31:02,790 --> 02:30:58,960
uh

3858
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:02,800
osbourne

3859
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:04,560
he's been studying the code for nine

3860
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:05,840
years he's part of the reynolds

3861
02:31:09,510 --> 02:31:08,960
forest research team and uh what's

3862
02:31:12,389 --> 02:31:09,520
emerged

3863
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:12,399
from uh the coordinates found in the

3864
02:31:15,590 --> 02:31:14,160
code is enough to fill probably three

3865
02:31:19,030 --> 02:31:15,600
volumes

3866
02:31:21,510 --> 02:31:19,040
uh gary's been working with i think he

3867
02:31:24,710 --> 02:31:21,520
was on your show that uh what's his name

3868
02:31:29,190 --> 02:31:24,720
uh uh saturday yeah

3869
02:31:31,670 --> 02:31:29,200
yes yes yeah

3870
02:31:33,270 --> 02:31:31,680
oh thank you very good it's very good

3871
02:31:35,030 --> 02:31:33,280
thank you i really appreciate that

3872
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:35,040
i know i hate to butcher someone's name

3873
02:31:39,750 --> 02:31:36,960
i do it all the time

3874
02:31:40,389 --> 02:31:39,760
in manu uh he endorses what gary has

3875
02:31:42,070 --> 02:31:40,399
found

3876
02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:42,080
the coordinates from the code at

3877
02:31:46,309 --> 02:31:43,600
reynoldson uh

3878
02:31:47,910 --> 02:31:46,319
provide us answers about giza and great

3879
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:47,920
pyramid and points to an

3880
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:50,640
unknown chamber and a great pyramid and

3881
02:31:54,710 --> 02:31:52,000
it goes on and on

3882
02:31:56,309 --> 02:31:54,720
anyway gary's writing he's lead writer

3883
02:31:59,590 --> 02:31:56,319
on the second book

3884
02:32:01,830 --> 02:31:59,600
and uh he's working diligently on and

3885
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:01,840
uh and you know it just would have been

3886
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:02,960
too much of a book

3887
02:32:06,389 --> 02:32:05,359
the renders from magnificent books 702

3888
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:06,399
pages long

3889
02:32:10,389 --> 02:32:08,960
300 pages of those notes endnotes

3890
02:32:13,190 --> 02:32:10,399
chapter endnotes

3891
02:32:14,469 --> 02:32:13,200
and it's like a seven by ten uh it looks

3892
02:32:16,870 --> 02:32:14,479
like a sears catalog

3893
02:32:18,230 --> 02:32:16,880
okay it's that big and a couple inches

3894
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:18,240
thick so

3895
02:32:21,429 --> 02:32:20,560
uh it's not you know it's not for a

3896
02:32:23,429 --> 02:32:21,439
light reader

3897
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:23,439
if you're gonna have a light reading

3898
02:32:27,349 --> 02:32:24,800
some of the people have

3899
02:32:28,150 --> 02:32:27,359
gotten back with me about the book uh

3900
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:28,160
they've read it

3901
02:32:33,429 --> 02:32:31,600
on three four five up to seven times

3902
02:32:34,870 --> 02:32:33,439
they find information they didn't

3903
02:32:36,710 --> 02:32:34,880
discover before

3904
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:36,720
it's like oh it's like reading a new

3905
02:32:39,910 --> 02:32:38,000
book each time i read it

3906
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:39,920
they're finding more information because

3907
02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:41,840
it's so massive

3908
02:32:47,670 --> 02:32:45,600
uh and uh it's for a researcher and it's

3909
02:32:49,349 --> 02:32:47,680
for i mean if you're gonna re if you're

3910
02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:49,359
not a researcher you want to just know

3911
02:32:53,910 --> 02:32:50,319
what

3912
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:53,920
you know the regular chapters

3913
02:32:58,070 --> 02:32:56,000
don't read the endnotes you know if you

3914
02:33:00,309 --> 02:32:58,080
want to if you're a researcher well you

3915
02:33:03,590 --> 02:33:00,319
might want to read the endnotes

3916
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:03,600
you know uh the uh

3917
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:07,040
the uh the binary book

3918
02:33:11,510 --> 02:33:10,240
uh with uh with you and gary do you have

3919
02:33:12,870 --> 02:33:11,520
any idea when that's going to be

3920
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:12,880
published

3921
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:14,960
no that's in gary's hands right now but

3922
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:16,319
i'll tell you what the last time i

3923
02:33:21,670 --> 02:33:18,000
talked to was recently

3924
02:33:24,070 --> 02:33:21,680
and he says oh he's about 80 done but uh

3925
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:24,080
we were rushed people wanted this rush

3926
02:33:28,150 --> 02:33:25,840
to put out like a book mill

3927
02:33:29,670 --> 02:33:28,160
with these reynolds books you know uh

3928
02:33:30,870 --> 02:33:29,680
some people put them out every five

3929
02:33:33,910 --> 02:33:30,880
months you know the the

3930
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:33,920
lecture speakers you know uh the enigma

3931
02:33:37,349 --> 02:33:35,600
it took me five years that's because i

3932
02:33:39,030 --> 02:33:37,359
wasn't satisfied with it i wanted to you

3933
02:33:41,670 --> 02:33:39,040
know make it right

3934
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:41,680
and uh and so did gary he wants to do

3935
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:43,120
that on book two

3936
02:33:47,910 --> 02:33:46,240
so uh we're hoping this year where i

3937
02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:47,920
know one thing with the with the

3938
02:33:51,910 --> 02:33:49,600
peripheral witnesses that

3939
02:33:53,349 --> 02:33:51,920
we might do an update this year for a

3940
02:33:56,309 --> 02:33:53,359
second edition

3941
02:33:57,670 --> 02:33:56,319
uh to commemorate the 40th uh

3942
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:57,680
anniversary

3943
02:34:01,270 --> 02:34:00,399
uh which is coming up in december and uh

3944
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:01,280
with all the

3945
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:03,600
other endnotes added in and the extra

3946
02:34:08,710 --> 02:34:04,960
evidence

3947
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:08,720
uh but i'll tell you what uh jimmy i

3948
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:10,720
don't get upset when people don't

3949
02:34:14,550 --> 02:34:12,640
i'll tell you the truth if if i was

3950
02:34:17,429 --> 02:34:14,560
listening to me speak

3951
02:34:18,630 --> 02:34:17,439
and i'm a skeptic which i was before

3952
02:34:21,590 --> 02:34:18,640
reynolds

3953
02:34:22,950 --> 02:34:21,600
um i i find it hard to believe you know

3954
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:22,960
can this really happen

3955
02:34:30,070 --> 02:34:26,960
you know and uh and so with that

3956
02:34:33,830 --> 02:34:30,080
mindset i wanted to give as much

3957
02:34:36,070 --> 02:34:33,840
facts as we could uh in this book

3958
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:36,080
to to convince somebody and don't don't

3959
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:37,920
go by what i'm saying make sure that you

3960
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,160
look at the facts behind it with the end

3961
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:42,080
notes and and then come to your own

3962
02:34:46,630 --> 02:34:43,600
conclusions but uh

3963
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:46,640
i think you can uh rest assured that

3964
02:34:53,270 --> 02:34:50,160
uh what this phenomena that we're seeing

3965
02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:53,280
is uh definitely not made by

3966
02:34:58,070 --> 02:34:56,800
any air force or any technology we have

3967
02:34:59,910 --> 02:34:58,080
you know today

3968
02:35:01,750 --> 02:34:59,920
you know that's that's pretty obvious

3969
02:35:02,630 --> 02:35:01,760
even a technology that i observed in

3970
02:35:05,670 --> 02:35:02,640
1980

3971
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:05,680
that can't be replicated today i mean

3972
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:08,240
come on yeah i know i know i know

3973
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:09,680
something happened out there in the

3974
02:35:14,550 --> 02:35:11,120
forest man

3975
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:14,560
and and and it's because of you jim and

3976
02:35:20,389 --> 02:35:18,160
and others that uh are enabling us

3977
02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:20,399
to we've got to get to the bottom of it

3978
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:21,439
we may never

3979
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,880
do it but we can't we can't stop

3980
02:35:28,950 --> 02:35:26,560
and i want to thank you not only for

3981
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:28,960
your service uh for this country

3982
02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:31,600
but for dealing with this for 40 years

3983
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:32,000
jim

3984
02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:34,720
again thank you so much my friend thank

3985
02:35:37,990 --> 02:35:36,319
you jimmy you're very kind

3986
02:35:39,990 --> 02:35:38,000
i really appreciate the opportunity

3987
02:35:43,349 --> 02:35:40,000
tonight okay i can't wait till we do

3988
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:43,359
it again and uh tell jack to uh

3989
02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:45,680
uh or tell gary to expect my phone call

3990
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:48,000
i'll talk to you

3991
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:50,319
okay thank you jim you got it all the

3992
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:51,600
best please say

3993
02:35:58,550 --> 02:35:55,520
stay free actually actually i slipped

3994
02:36:01,910 --> 02:35:58,560
jack and gary are going to get our

3995
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:01,920
phone calls thank you so much jim uh

3996
02:36:05,830 --> 02:36:04,080
enjoy the rest of your night yes you

3997
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:05,840
enjoyed too thanks a lot jimmy

3998
02:36:12,469 --> 02:36:09,040
thank you jim peniston again

3999
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:12,479
the links for uh the rental shim enigma

4000
02:36:17,670 --> 02:36:15,680
are over at jimmychurchradio.com

4001
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:17,680
gotta thank jim peniston right now going

4002
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:19,040
pole to pole

4003
02:36:23,349 --> 02:36:21,680
all the way through to overtime what a

4004
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:23,359
great conversation tonight

4005
02:36:27,590 --> 02:36:24,960
i want to remind everybody tomorrow

4006
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:27,600
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4007
02:36:31,510 --> 02:36:29,680
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02:36:33,349 --> 02:36:31,520
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4009
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4019
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:52,319
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4020
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4025
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4027
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:07,920
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4028
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,040
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4029
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:11,760
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4030
02:37:17,910 --> 02:37:12,080
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4031
02:37:30,830 --> 02:37:17,920
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4032
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